‘89 CRX won’t start - frustration

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by ThomasE, Mar 25, 2006.

  1. ThomasE

    Elle Guest


    All good in theory. I'm not sure the differences are all
    that significant for the tests about which we are talking in
    this particular troubleshooting scenario.
     
    Elle, Mar 28, 2006
    #41
  2. ThomasE

    Remco Guest

    I work in a similar discipline and find that it is often easier to not
    think about certain problems in the same terms you would at work - it
    tends to over complicate things.
    That's actually the reason why I enjoy working on cars - it takes
    totally different skill set, other than of course some decent trouble
    shooting skills.

    I strongly suspect your problem is a sensor someplace that the ECU
    mal-adjusts for.
    We'll all be very curious to see what it ends up being.

    Good luck!
    Remco
     
    Remco, Mar 28, 2006
    #42
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    Flooded doesn't mean WET. It just means there's WAY more fuel than there
    is supposed to be for the amount of available air. If your engine had
    enough fuel in it to wet the spark plugs, you'd crack a piston head when
    you spun the engine over. Gas (or water) don't compress well, so
    something else has to 'give'. :-(

    Even if your dribbling injector only leaked three ounces of fuel into
    the engine overnight, you'll need to add 45 ounces (by weight) of air to
    obtain a correct fuel/air mixture that will ignite cleanly. Hollywood
    pyro effects people create huge explosions with just a few gallons of
    gasoline mixed with a huge amount of air. . . . One pound of gas, 15
    pounds of air. (air doesn't weigh much)

    When you hold the pedal to the floor on a (non-running) Honda, the
    computer TURNS OFF the injectors completely, to allow fresh air to be
    mixed with the excess fuel. The owner's manual is quite specific about
    how to start a flooded Honda. Hondas also shut off the injectors while
    coasting, at least on many of the automatic models. My CR-V does it and
    it's weird to watch the tach drop near the stalling point before
    snapping back up.

    'Curly'
     
    'Curly Q. Links', Mar 28, 2006
    #43
  4. ThomasE

    Burt Guest

    When you hold the pedal to the floor on a (non-running) Honda, the
    computer may turn off the injectors on some car but not on others. I'd
    discovered that a 92 Civic or older models won't shut off the fuel injectors
    if you press the accelerator pedal all the way down and hold it there while
    cranking it for up to 18 seconds. You can try this while having someone listen
    to the clicks on the fuel injectors. The flooded 92 Civic can be cleared
    manually using a mechanics' trick, took less time and it started right up.

    Here's a quote from the 96 Civic owners manual: "If the engine fails to
    start, press the accelerator pedal all the way down and hold it there
    while starting to clear flooding. Return to step 5 if the engine does not
    start." Step 5 is nothing but "hold the pedal halfway."

    This trick is probably nothing more than mixing more air into the cylinders,
    a slow way of dealing with a flood, unless someone can confirm it by
    listening to the clicks on the fuel injectors at WOT.
     
    Burt, Mar 29, 2006
    #44
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    Didn't we solve this one a few days ago? If it's injected, hold the
    pedal to the floor and crank it for up to 15 seconds at a time.
    Dribbling injector bleeds all pressure from fuel rail and floods engine
    overnight and it needs lots of air to start. It's in the owner's manual
    (for injected Hondas). Use injector cleaner or gasohol to cure injector
    problem.

    SEARCH would find this one, but you'd need the clue 'flooded'.

    'Curly'
     
    'Curly Q. Links', Mar 31, 2006
    #45
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