'06 Accord EX vs '07 Camry LE: Power, Safety & Price

Discussion in 'Accord' started by Charles Lasitter, Apr 25, 2006.

  1. Once the price gets near $30K and sport enters into the equation
    there's no sense looking at modified FWD grocery getters when great RWD
    performance sedans like the G35, IS 250 and 3-series are available.
    IMHO, Accords and Camrys are good values at around $20K but not when
    they're over $25K.
     
    dimndsonmywndshld, Apr 26, 2006
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  2. Agreed.
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    Charles Lasitter, Apr 26, 2006
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  3. Agreed.
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    Charles Lasitter, Apr 26, 2006
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  4. Charles Lasitter

    jmattis Guest

    Consumer Reports says... The Camrys are not getting anywhere near the
    EPA rated mileage in their V6 engines. Hondas do. So a V6 Camry
    should stay off your list, unless you want 80% of the promised mileage.

    Also, Toy V6 engines are known to have a nasty gelling problem. Change
    the oil quite frequently if you have a V6, or -- for once -- synthetic
    oil is worthwhile in this application.

    There is now a sports version of the Camry. The suspension may be a
    lot closer to an Accord than a standard Camry & I'm curious myself.

    I have a 2004 Accord, but if it were totalled tomorrow, I'd seriously
    check out the V6 Camry.
     
    jmattis, Apr 27, 2006
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  5. Charles Lasitter

    jmattis Guest

    Consumer Reports says... The Camrys are not getting anywhere near the
    EPA rated mileage in their V6 engines. Hondas do. So a V6 Camry
    should stay off your list, unless you want 80% of the promised mileage.

    Also, Toy V6 engines are known to have a nasty gelling problem. Change
    the oil quite frequently if you have a V6, or -- for once -- synthetic
    oil is worthwhile in this application.

    There is now a sports version of the Camry. The suspension may be a
    lot closer to an Accord than a standard Camry & I'm curious myself.

    I have a 2004 Accord, but if it were totalled tomorrow, I'd seriously
    check out the V6 Camry.
     
    jmattis, Apr 27, 2006
    #25
  6. That doesn't sound right to me. The various factors that reduce fuel economy
    should affect Toyota and Honda engines equally - unless you know a
    significant difference between them I don't know.
    That's pretty out of date, and overblown even in its time (about 1 in 1000
    was affected) http://tinyurl.com/7ox9s . Oddly, it was redesign of the valve
    cover that corrected the sludge problem.Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, Apr 28, 2006
    #26
  7. That doesn't sound right to me. The various factors that reduce fuel economy
    should affect Toyota and Honda engines equally - unless you know a
    significant difference between them I don't know.
    That's pretty out of date, and overblown even in its time (about 1 in 1000
    was affected) http://tinyurl.com/7ox9s . Oddly, it was redesign of the valve
    cover that corrected the sludge problem.Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, Apr 28, 2006
    #27
  8. Charles Lasitter

    SoCalMike Guest

    i thought it was decided that the gelling was due to neglect... mostly
    cars right off a 3 year lease that didnt have regular oil changes?

    my moms scion xA has a required interval of 5000 miles between changes.
    i thought itd be longer than that, personally.
     
    SoCalMike, Apr 28, 2006
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  9. Charles Lasitter

    SoCalMike Guest

    i thought it was decided that the gelling was due to neglect... mostly
    cars right off a 3 year lease that didnt have regular oil changes?

    my moms scion xA has a required interval of 5000 miles between changes.
    i thought itd be longer than that, personally.
     
    SoCalMike, Apr 28, 2006
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  10. Nope, poor head design when Toyota attempted to extract more mpg from
    their 3.0L V6. Created hot/cold spots and poor maintenance made the
    problem obvious. A new valve cover was followed by a better head
    design. Fixed years ago.

    By the way, I have 171K trouble-free miles on one of the sludge-prone
    3.0L V6s. Still delivering better than EPA mpg.
    5000 is conservative enough that should she forget an oil change the
    car will still be fine. Can't say the same about Honda's 10,000
    interval. Keep in mind that most people won't even open the hood
    between routine oil changes.
     
    dimndsonmywndshld, Apr 28, 2006
    #30
  11. Nope, poor head design when Toyota attempted to extract more mpg from
    their 3.0L V6. Created hot/cold spots and poor maintenance made the
    problem obvious. A new valve cover was followed by a better head
    design. Fixed years ago.

    By the way, I have 171K trouble-free miles on one of the sludge-prone
    3.0L V6s. Still delivering better than EPA mpg.
    5000 is conservative enough that should she forget an oil change the
    car will still be fine. Can't say the same about Honda's 10,000
    interval. Keep in mind that most people won't even open the hood
    between routine oil changes.
     
    dimndsonmywndshld, Apr 28, 2006
    #31
  12. TeGGeR has an eye-opener in this 2001 Toyota V6 with less than 9000 miles
    (probably without an oil change):
    http://tegger.com/hondafaq/sludge/cleaning_sludge.html
    Definitely a "come to Jesus" event.

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, Apr 28, 2006
    #32
  13. TeGGeR has an eye-opener in this 2001 Toyota V6 with less than 9000 miles
    (probably without an oil change):
    http://tegger.com/hondafaq/sludge/cleaning_sludge.html
    Definitely a "come to Jesus" event.

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, Apr 28, 2006
    #33
  14. Would be interesting to know how many months the car had gone without
    an oil change. If this happened after 3 months I'd have a different
    opinion than if it happened after 3 years.

    If you search around you can find other equally well documented sludged
    engines from just about every manufacturer.
     
    dimndsonmywndshld, Apr 28, 2006
    #34
  15. Would be interesting to know how many months the car had gone without
    an oil change. If this happened after 3 months I'd have a different
    opinion than if it happened after 3 years.

    If you search around you can find other equally well documented sludged
    engines from just about every manufacturer.
     
    dimndsonmywndshld, Apr 28, 2006
    #35
  16. Charles Lasitter

    SoCalMike Guest

    the cool thing about the scion is that the oil change indicator can be
    programmed to light up at intervals from 1-5k miles. standard is 5k.
     
    SoCalMike, Apr 28, 2006
    #36
  17. Charles Lasitter

    SoCalMike Guest

    the cool thing about the scion is that the oil change indicator can be
    programmed to light up at intervals from 1-5k miles. standard is 5k.
     
    SoCalMike, Apr 28, 2006
    #37
  18. Charles Lasitter

    SoCalMike Guest

    awesome! in a scary way, of course.
     
    SoCalMike, Apr 28, 2006
    #38
  19. Charles Lasitter

    SoCalMike Guest

    awesome! in a scary way, of course.
     
    SoCalMike, Apr 28, 2006
    #39
  20. Charles Lasitter

    tww Guest

    Saw a TSX on I 75 a couple of days ago... seems about the size of a Civic.
    See very few of them in my area. Understand the car is based on the
    European Accord which is supposed to be smaller than the US version. Also,
    quite expensive at around 30k.
     
    tww, Aug 10, 2006
    #40
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