'06 Accord EX vs '07 Camry LE: Power, Safety & Price

Once the price gets near $30K and sport enters into the equation
there's no sense looking at modified FWD grocery getters when great RWD
performance sedans like the G35, IS 250 and 3-series are available.
IMHO, Accords and Camrys are good values at around $20K but not when
they're over $25K.

 

Agreed.
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Consumer Reports says... The Camrys are not getting anywhere near the
EPA rated mileage in their V6 engines. Hondas do. So a V6 Camry
should stay off your list, unless you want 80% of the promised mileage.

Also, Toy V6 engines are known to have a nasty gelling problem. Change
the oil quite frequently if you have a V6, or -- for once -- synthetic
oil is worthwhile in this application.

There is now a sports version of the Camry. The suspension may be a
lot closer to an Accord than a standard Camry & I'm curious myself.

I have a 2004 Accord, but if it were totalled tomorrow, I'd seriously
check out the V6 Camry.

 

Consumer Reports says... The Camrys are not getting anywhere near the
EPA rated mileage in their V6 engines. Hondas do. So a V6 Camry
should stay off your list, unless you want 80% of the promised mileage.

Also, Toy V6 engines are known to have a nasty gelling problem. Change
the oil quite frequently if you have a V6, or -- for once -- synthetic
oil is worthwhile in this application.

There is now a sports version of the Camry. The suspension may be a
lot closer to an Accord than a standard Camry & I'm curious myself.

I have a 2004 Accord, but if it were totalled tomorrow, I'd seriously
check out the V6 Camry.

 

That doesn't sound right to me. The various factors that reduce fuel economy
should affect Toyota and Honda engines equally - unless you know a
significant difference between them I don't know.

That's pretty out of date, and overblown even in its time (about 1 in 1000
was affected) http://tinyurl.com/7ox9s . Oddly, it was redesign of the valve
cover that corrected the sludge problem.Mike

 

That doesn't sound right to me. The various factors that reduce fuel economy
should affect Toyota and Honda engines equally - unless you know a
significant difference between them I don't know.

That's pretty out of date, and overblown even in its time (about 1 in 1000
was affected) http://tinyurl.com/7ox9s . Oddly, it was redesign of the valve
cover that corrected the sludge problem.Mike

 

i thought it was decided that the gelling was due to neglect... mostly
cars right off a 3 year lease that didnt have regular oil changes?

my moms scion xA has a required interval of 5000 miles between changes.
i thought itd be longer than that, personally.

 

i thought it was decided that the gelling was due to neglect... mostly
cars right off a 3 year lease that didnt have regular oil changes?

my moms scion xA has a required interval of 5000 miles between changes.
i thought itd be longer than that, personally.

 

Nope, poor head design when Toyota attempted to extract more mpg from
their 3.0L V6. Created hot/cold spots and poor maintenance made the
problem obvious. A new valve cover was followed by a better head
design. Fixed years ago.

By the way, I have 171K trouble-free miles on one of the sludge-prone
3.0L V6s. Still delivering better than EPA mpg.

5000 is conservative enough that should she forget an oil change the
car will still be fine. Can't say the same about Honda's 10,000
interval. Keep in mind that most people won't even open the hood
between routine oil changes.

 

Nope, poor head design when Toyota attempted to extract more mpg from
their 3.0L V6. Created hot/cold spots and poor maintenance made the
problem obvious. A new valve cover was followed by a better head
design. Fixed years ago.

By the way, I have 171K trouble-free miles on one of the sludge-prone
3.0L V6s. Still delivering better than EPA mpg.

5000 is conservative enough that should she forget an oil change the
car will still be fine. Can't say the same about Honda's 10,000
interval. Keep in mind that most people won't even open the hood
between routine oil changes.

 

TeGGeR has an eye-opener in this 2001 Toyota V6 with less than 9000 miles
(probably without an oil change):
http://tegger.com/hondafaq/sludge/cleaning_sludge.html
Definitely a "come to Jesus" event.

Mike

 

TeGGeR has an eye-opener in this 2001 Toyota V6 with less than 9000 miles
(probably without an oil change):
http://tegger.com/hondafaq/sludge/cleaning_sludge.html
Definitely a "come to Jesus" event.

Mike

 

Would be interesting to know how many months the car had gone without
an oil change. If this happened after 3 months I'd have a different
opinion than if it happened after 3 years.

If you search around you can find other equally well documented sludged
engines from just about every manufacturer.

 

Would be interesting to know how many months the car had gone without
an oil change. If this happened after 3 months I'd have a different
opinion than if it happened after 3 years.

If you search around you can find other equally well documented sludged
engines from just about every manufacturer.

 

the cool thing about the scion is that the oil change indicator can be
programmed to light up at intervals from 1-5k miles. standard is 5k.

 

the cool thing about the scion is that the oil change indicator can be
programmed to light up at intervals from 1-5k miles. standard is 5k.

 

awesome! in a scary way, of course.

 

awesome! in a scary way, of course.

 

Saw a TSX on I 75 a couple of days ago... seems about the size of a Civic.
See very few of them in my area. Understand the car is based on the
European Accord which is supposed to be smaller than the US version. Also,
quite expensive at around 30k.