1988 Prelude S - white/black(?) smoke and power loss

Discussion in 'Prelude' started by hawk007, Jul 28, 2006.

  1. hawk007

    hawk007 Guest

    First, I'm not quite sure about the color of the smoke: at first glance
    at the tailpipe end, it seems white, but looking at the billowing cloud
    you think it could pass for black. One could even suspect blue, but
    that could be an illusion due to the green foliage in the background.

    As to cause: my research suggests likelihood of coolant leak into the
    engine (most likely through a busted head gasket). I have read that in
    such cases the smoke "smells sweet". Having no experience here, i can
    not be certain what "smelling sweet" is, but i would be willing to
    describe this smell as sweet.

    However, the facts with this car are: According to the driver, the
    smoke problem began right after the car was driven over a sidewalk
    elevation whereby the muffler was impacted. (I am not ruling out that
    the sidewalk may have bumped some other part, but the driver seems
    certain it was the muffler). Currently the muffler has an old,
    corroded exterior, with a good-size hole where the outer metal shell is
    lacerated a couple of inches. Coinciding with the start of the smoke
    problem and the impact, the car also noticeably lost horse power. There
    are soft, low rumbling noises coming from the muffler area.

    I do not know enough to rule in or out the possilibity that the muffler
    is the one (and only) cause of the problem. Could it be a cause at all?

    In case this is relevant: with a recent replacement of ignition stuff
    (sparkplugs, wires, distributor) the engine sounds great and runs
    smoothly. (Could it run smoothly with a blown head gasket?)

    thanks

    Andrew
     
    hawk007, Jul 28, 2006
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  2. hawk007

    hawk007 Guest

    --- additional details: ----

    When the muffler was hit the car was going in reverse, steering
    clockwise. It hit the pavement and scraped for a couple of seconds,
    with the force pushing the muffler toward the front of the car.

    --- new development: ----

    today when I examined the running engine, I noticed a tiny bit of steam
    rising from the engine, along the mating surface of the cylinder head
    (I *think* I am describing the locus correctly, but not 100% sure. It's
    definitely along *some* mating surface, along the length of the engine
    block). Very small wisps/puffs, which one would not know about without
    looking under the hood. It starts after a couple of minutes, when the
    engine gets sufficiently hot (and continues for a short while after
    shutoff). Blown head gasket? Warped head?

    --- plea ---

    can someone please say if my question is extremely stupid and the
    answer is obvious, or if it truly presents a strange riddle - the only
    two reasons i can think of to explain the lack of replies.

    --- theoretical question ---

    if this car is deprived of coolant, could it suffer head warping and
    nothing else, or would the consequences of lack of coolant be, without
    exception, much more severe than JUST a head warp? Or, perhaps, **some
    degree** of coolant defficiency could cause just the head warping?

    (An Advance Autoparts attendant suggested the head warping possibility
    today)

    TIA

    Andrew
     
    hawk007, Jul 30, 2006
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  3. Head warping is probably the most common result of lack of coolant. The
    aluminum head expands in length more than twice as much as the iron block,
    and typically lifts in the middle to do that. In Hondas, the solution is
    normally to remove and mill the head.

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, Jul 30, 2006
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  4. hawk007

    Eric Guest

    Pull out the spark plugs and look at the electrodes. Are they wet or
    discolored in any way? Sometimes when an engine is burning coolant you'll
    find little white crystals on the electrodes. Also, burnt coolant produces
    white smoke which, in my opinion, tends to be acrid smelling. For
    comparison, burnt oil produces a blue-grey smoke and if the engine is
    running too rich it will produce a black smoke. Is the engine missing on
    any of the cylinders? Often times a blown head gasket will produce a
    misfire. Pull the spark plugs one at a time with the engine running while
    watching a tachometer. The one that produces the least amount of rpm drop
    has the misfire. A compression test can be helpful sometimes. If a head
    gasket is blown between two adjacent cylinders then both will be low.
    However, if the head gasket is blown on just one cylinder going to one of
    the water jackets, then that cylinder might be low. There are also chemical
    tests that you can do to the coolant which will reveal combustion
    byproducts. Anyways, there are lots of tests you could do...

    Eric
     
    Eric, Jul 31, 2006
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