1992 Accord stutter. Possible EGR issues.

Discussion in 'Accord' started by Greg Campbell, Aug 11, 2006.

  1. 1992 Accord 5 spd has 'classic' EGR symptoms.

    When warm, engine stutters slighty at low revs, smooths out by ~2.5K
    Car runs smoothly when cold.

    But...

    Just this evening I discovered that Car still stutters even when EGR
    valve vacuum line is disconected. The EGR system may not be to blame (??!)


    Observations:
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    -General

    Check Engine light goes on after ~20 min of driving, sooner on a warm
    engine. Code '12' indicates EGR issues. No other codes.

    A few Weeks ago, I pulled two of the EGR port plugs (Cyl 1 and 3,
    neither transfer port) and found crusty but free flowing passages. Will
    pull the others this weekend, just to be sure.



    -EGR valve pulled, poked and prodded. (1 week ago)

    Valve smoothly opens under vacuum, (As I recall, it was fully open by
    about 7mmHG. Will test again to get more accurate numbers.)

    Diaphragm does not appear to leak.

    Diaphragm and valve plunger move smoothy. (There was a tiny bit of
    carbon build-up on the plunger that caused slight drag. Cleaning it
    hasn't changed anything that I can detect.)

    Valve seals reasonably well when closed - blowing on the output port, I
    couldn't detect appreciable flow at zero lift.

    The valve spring seems 'OK.' I didn't measure lifting force, but it
    seemed progressive and 'reasonable.'

    Measuring the valve's electrical resistance, there appear to be two
    complimentary outputs. As the valve is lifted, one resistance drops
    from ~5K ohms, and the other rises from ~1K to ~3K (the second numbers
    may not be terribly accurate - I observed that they changed and wasn't
    paying enough attention to the actual values.)



    - Vacuum meter tied into system, car driven. (Tonight)

    When monitoring the vacuum control line, the EGR solenoid output (Vacuum
    line 16 pressure) varies from 0 to a maximum of ~3mmHG. No more.
    Vacuum rises as engine revs build, then drops abruptly to (near) zero.

    When check engine light comes on, all solenoid activity ceases.

    As mentioned above, the car stutters (as before) even with the EGR valve
    actuation line disconnected/plugged.

    ~3 mmHg applied to egr valve stalls the car from idle.

    I haven't yet fiddled with the control solenoid or constant vaccum
    control valve.



    Any thoughts or advice?

    Thanks

    -Greg
     
    Greg Campbell, Aug 11, 2006
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  2. Greg Campbell

    jim beam Guest

    the valve feeds a series of orifices in the manifold. where these
    connect to the main manifold pipes, these are relatively small diameter
    and tend to clog. can't remember the ages for transition, but older
    ones have the orifice drilling hole welded closed, later ones have them
    plugged with a blank that can be removed for cleaning. dealers carry
    resealing blanks. if you have the later ones, google this group for how
    to do it - there's a downloadable pdf out there somewhere. if they're
    welded, you can drill them out, but blanking then becomes an issue. if
    the manifolds are compatible, the ideal solution is get a later model
    year manifold with removable plugs from a junk yard.
     
    jim beam, Aug 11, 2006
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