1999 Accord V6 transmission problems

Discussion in 'Accord' started by Pete, Aug 29, 2003.

  1. I don't know about purse snatching in Chicago but my complaints about
    the Volvo ('92 240 Wagon) include:

    Leaks oil like the Exxon Valdez (mechanic can't fix in four tries)
    Electrical problems too numerous to list
    Ball joints wore out
    Trip Odometer broken
    Clutch cable broke
    Short exhaust system life
    U-joint failure
    Erratic coolant temp gauge (not sure if it is real or just the gauge)
    Squeaks, rattles and groans galore
    Probably a few others I can't recall off the top of my head.

    On the plus side:

    It is near perfect size with usable cargo space - small enough to fit
    in my garage but big enough to haul my hobby rocketry equipment,
    camping equipment, garden supplies, etc.

    Very durable body, engine and transmission (but that is available in
    most Japanese cars as well now.)

    Manual transmission (although it was hard to find one with MT when I
    bought it in 1992)

    Good handling with after-market sway bars and good tires. (But engine
    is anemic.)


    Granted this is a model which hasn't been made in ten years but based
    on CR reliability data and other reports I don't see any reason to
    think that the newer ones are much improved. The electrical system is
    still reported as a major problem area.

    The reason I still own this car is that no manufacturer that I would
    consider buying from makes a vehicle in this size. They are all
    either too big to fit in my garage or too small to haul my stuff or
    both!!!! Best candidates are the Mazda MPV or a (used) G1 Ody.
     
    Gordon McGrew, Sep 1, 2003
    #61
  2. I don't know about purse snatching in Chicago but my complaints about
    the Volvo ('92 240 Wagon) include:

    Leaks oil like the Exxon Valdez (mechanic can't fix in four tries)
    Electrical problems too numerous to list
    Ball joints wore out
    Trip Odometer broken
    Clutch cable broke
    Short exhaust system life
    U-joint failure
    Erratic coolant temp gauge (not sure if it is real or just the gauge)
    Squeaks, rattles and groans galore
    Probably a few others I can't recall off the top of my head.

    On the plus side:

    It is near perfect size with usable cargo space - small enough to fit
    in my garage but big enough to haul my hobby rocketry equipment,
    camping equipment, garden supplies, etc.

    Very durable body, engine and transmission (but that is available in
    most Japanese cars as well now.)

    Manual transmission (although it was hard to find one with MT when I
    bought it in 1992)

    Good handling with after-market sway bars and good tires. (But engine
    is anemic.)


    Granted this is a model which hasn't been made in ten years but based
    on CR reliability data and other reports I don't see any reason to
    think that the newer ones are much improved. The electrical system is
    still reported as a major problem area.

    The reason I still own this car is that no manufacturer that I would
    consider buying from makes a vehicle in this size. They are all
    either too big to fit in my garage or too small to haul my stuff or
    both!!!! Best candidates are the Mazda MPV or a (used) G1 Ody.
     
    Gordon McGrew, Sep 1, 2003
    #62
  3. Pete

    MelvinGibson Guest

    You are kidding, right? If ANY manufacture had anywhere near
    a 2% failure rate they would go out of business.


    mike hunt
     
    MelvinGibson, Sep 1, 2003
    #63
  4. Pete

    MelvinGibson Guest

    You are kidding, right? If ANY manufacture had anywhere near
    a 2% failure rate they would go out of business.


    mike hunt
     
    MelvinGibson, Sep 1, 2003
    #64
  5. Pete

    MelvinGibson Guest

    From what I see on our business ALL manufactures are building
    good dependable vehicle today, the only real difference is price
    and style. They will all last a long time if given the proper
    maintenance. Murphy's law is still at work. They ALL build some
    that are not up to their build standards and they ALL built some
    that breakdown on occasion, that's why they ALL have a warranty.
    Anybody that believes that by buying particular brand, or paying
    a premium price to do so, they are necessarily going go get one
    that will not have problems is deluding themselves. We warrant
    and service most brands, I can assure none is free of defects.



    mike hunt
     
    MelvinGibson, Sep 1, 2003
    #65
  6. Pete

    MelvinGibson Guest

    From what I see on our business ALL manufactures are building
    good dependable vehicle today, the only real difference is price
    and style. They will all last a long time if given the proper
    maintenance. Murphy's law is still at work. They ALL build some
    that are not up to their build standards and they ALL built some
    that breakdown on occasion, that's why they ALL have a warranty.
    Anybody that believes that by buying particular brand, or paying
    a premium price to do so, they are necessarily going go get one
    that will not have problems is deluding themselves. We warrant
    and service most brands, I can assure none is free of defects.



    mike hunt
     
    MelvinGibson, Sep 1, 2003
    #66
  7. Pete

    Pete Guest

    1. I am a car
    2. I am branded by a "domestic" manufacturer
    3. Therefore I am a domestic car.

    Non Sequitur

    Pete
     
    Pete, Sep 1, 2003
    #67
  8. Pete

    Pete Guest

    1. I am a car
    2. I am branded by a "domestic" manufacturer
    3. Therefore I am a domestic car.

    Non Sequitur

    Pete
     
    Pete, Sep 1, 2003
    #68
  9. You're nuts. Look at a '97 Caravan - five years old at the time of
    the latest CR reliability survey.

    Component Failure rate (%)
    --------- -----------
    Engine 9-15
    Cooling 5-9
    Fuel 5-9
    Ignition <2
    Transmission 9-15
    Electrical >15
    A/C 9-15
    Suspension 5-9
    Brakes 9-15
    Exhaust <2
    Paint/trim/rust 2-5
    Body integrity 5-9
    Power equipment 5-9
    Body hardware 5-9

    Compare to a '97 Ody where only the brakes have a greater than 5%
    failure rate (5-9%). Most components are <2%. So why is Chrysler
    still in business? Well, they aren't as an independent company of
    course, but Ford and GM are no better.

    BTW, how old are the cars you service? Most (not all ) cars are OK
    for 2 or 3 years but after that the domestic models start to plummet.
     
    Gordon McGrew, Sep 1, 2003
    #69
  10. You're nuts. Look at a '97 Caravan - five years old at the time of
    the latest CR reliability survey.

    Component Failure rate (%)
    --------- -----------
    Engine 9-15
    Cooling 5-9
    Fuel 5-9
    Ignition <2
    Transmission 9-15
    Electrical >15
    A/C 9-15
    Suspension 5-9
    Brakes 9-15
    Exhaust <2
    Paint/trim/rust 2-5
    Body integrity 5-9
    Power equipment 5-9
    Body hardware 5-9

    Compare to a '97 Ody where only the brakes have a greater than 5%
    failure rate (5-9%). Most components are <2%. So why is Chrysler
    still in business? Well, they aren't as an independent company of
    course, but Ford and GM are no better.

    BTW, how old are the cars you service? Most (not all ) cars are OK
    for 2 or 3 years but after that the domestic models start to plummet.
     
    Gordon McGrew, Sep 1, 2003
    #70
  11. Pete

    MelvinGibson Guest

    Perhaps if you took a course on statistical analysis you might
    understand.


    mike hunt
     
    MelvinGibson, Sep 1, 2003
    #71
  12. Pete

    MelvinGibson Guest

    Perhaps if you took a course on statistical analysis you might
    understand.


    mike hunt
     
    MelvinGibson, Sep 1, 2003
    #72
  13. And all the warranties expire.
    Nope, no guaranty only a warranty. However, all sources indicate that
    your odds are better with a Toyota or Honda than a Ford or GM (or
    Volvo, VW, Mitsubishi, BMW, etc.)
     
    Gordon McGrew, Sep 1, 2003
    #73
  14. And all the warranties expire.
    Nope, no guaranty only a warranty. However, all sources indicate that
    your odds are better with a Toyota or Honda than a Ford or GM (or
    Volvo, VW, Mitsubishi, BMW, etc.)
     
    Gordon McGrew, Sep 1, 2003
    #74
  15. Pete

    Dick Guest

    That's not at all true. There are many manufacturer's that have had
    far higher failure rates, and they are still in business. Take the
    ignition switches on Fords, or the Firestone tire fiasco on the
    Explorer. Chrysler and GM have had their share too. I worked for an
    electronic company that once had an 80% failure rate on one product
    line (Their primary product.) It was a disaster at the time, but they
    recovered. That was back in the 80's. They are still in business
    too. Remember, we are talking about some specific model years of
    Honda, not all Honda's ever produced. My last two Accords (1999 EX
    V-6 and 2003 EX V-6) have never been back to the dealer for ANY
    warranty service. And I am very picky.

    Dick
     
    Dick, Sep 1, 2003
    #75
  16. Keep in mind a couple things. If there are 500 parts in an AT, the
    chance of one of them failing with the above defect rate is 0.75%. If
    one sneaks in with a 1% defect rate, the chances of a transmission
    failure reach 1.75%. Also, what constitutes a defective part? A
    measurable defect on receipt or a failure within the warranty period?
    The concern here is cars with failures before 100,000 miles.

    Add to this the risk of a design problem that may add to the failure
    rate and varying levels of owner abuse and you could easily exceed 2%
    failures before the warranty period expires. In fact, if your name
    isn't Toyota or Honda, you can pretty much count on it. If the
    vehicle says Caravan on the back, expect about 15%.
     
    Gordon McGrew, Sep 1, 2003
    #76
  17. Keep in mind a couple things. If there are 500 parts in an AT, the
    chance of one of them failing with the above defect rate is 0.75%. If
    one sneaks in with a 1% defect rate, the chances of a transmission
    failure reach 1.75%. Also, what constitutes a defective part? A
    measurable defect on receipt or a failure within the warranty period?
    The concern here is cars with failures before 100,000 miles.

    Add to this the risk of a design problem that may add to the failure
    rate and varying levels of owner abuse and you could easily exceed 2%
    failures before the warranty period expires. In fact, if your name
    isn't Toyota or Honda, you can pretty much count on it. If the
    vehicle says Caravan on the back, expect about 15%.
     
    Gordon McGrew, Sep 1, 2003
    #77
  18. Perhaps if you took a course in arithmetic you wouldn't be confused.
     
    Gordon McGrew, Sep 1, 2003
    #78
  19. Perhaps if you took a course in arithmetic you wouldn't be confused.
     
    Gordon McGrew, Sep 1, 2003
    #79
  20. Pete

    MelvinGibson Guest

    You are entitle to your opinion but our records of thousands of
    vehicles, the source I use, says differently. But hey it's your
    money spend it where you wish. I could not car less. The
    original poster did, apparently believing buying a Honda would
    insure trouble free longevity, yet he has a blown engine under
    60K.



    mike hunt
     
    MelvinGibson, Sep 1, 2003
    #80
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