2006 Hondas

Yes, but the guy was so precise that I thought this worth mentioning. With
the other anecdotes people are sharing, and if forced to bet, I'd bet the
Jazz/Fit will be here by at least 2007.

No idea.

The salesmen at this same dealership a few months ago said they'd never even
heard of the Jazz. So I'm taking the parts guy's comment as "progress" of
some kind.

Then again it seems to me parts and service people tend to be way more
knowledgeable about what's coming next.

I too don't think I'd be happy with a 1.2 or maybe even 1.3 Liter car
engine, unless everyone in the U.S. drove cars under 2 L. One needs a
certain amount of power to stay maneuverable, and so feel safe, in tricky
situations.

1.4 Liter might work.

 

no, one needs a certain power/weight ratio, along with that power being
in a usable band.

Some big-engined SUVs have a lower power/weight ratio than
smaller-engined, smaller cars. They're harder to drive out of the way
in a tricky situation than a smaller car with a smaller engine but a
better power/weight ratio (and a smaller mass to move through the
inertia and a lower center of gravity).

 

One needs a certain amount of power, period.

Naturally exactly what that "certain amount of power" "one" needs will
depend on vehicle specifics.

 

hit the rpm's mike. when i lived in europe, i had several small motored
cars, 1100, 850, even a 2 cylinder 600cc, and it taught me a whole
different way of driving. hondas are built for rpm's and pull /real/
well if you get the revs up near the red. i would have no hesitation
with 1.2l in a car that size & weight.

on the subject of different driving style, when i was selling my crx,
test drivers would floor the gas at 2500 rpm & complain that it was not
pulling hard enough. but if you did that at 4000 rpm, it would take off
- almost literally - but it seemed impossible to pursuade them to go
there! i guess if you're used to a big motor with low end grunt, it's
hard to transition, but rpm's are your friend. hondas have high red
lines and rev limiters. you can't hurt them.

 

One needs a certain amount of power, period.

Naturally exactly what that "certain amount of power" "one" needs will
depend on vehicle specifics.[/QUOTE]

right, like weight.

Which goes back to what I said: one needs a certain amount of power for
the weight one is pulling around. One needs a certain power/weight
ratio.

Put a 100hp motorcycle against a 100hp Civic and see what happens.

It's all about power to weight ratio.

 

It's all about understanding English.

 

It's all about understanding English.[/QUOTE]

Are you implying that I don't understand English?

The problem is that you don't understand simple physics.

You need a certain amount of power FOR THE WEIGHT.

An absolute rating of power is meaningless. It's the power to weight
ratio that's meaningful.

Plainly, you're an idiot.

 

My 04 civic get 43 mpg on the hwy during the Summer.

The new 06 Civic should get over 40 mpg (hwy) with the new 1.8 engine.

The 7 speed CVT in the Jazz is kind of neat.

 

Check out this Top Fuel Turbo Kit for the FIT.

If they bring the FIT here to the US, we'll have an incredible amount
of aftermarket goodies available from Japan right away.

http://fitfreak.net/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=14

 

I read that the new 1.8L engine is an i-VTEC unit. Does anybody know if
this means that it will be chain-driven like the Accord's i-VTEC?

 

hope so. sucks having to replace a timing belt as regular maintenance.

 

Look at it for yourself.

http://world.honda.com/news/2005/4050705_a_1.html

 

We're talking about maybe 8-10HP difference but 7-8mpg.

 

We're talking about 80-83 hp for the 1.4L Fit and 1.3L Jazz (that's what a
few sites said, anyway) vs. 92 hp for my 1.5L Civic. This is over 10%
difference.

My 1.5L Civic battles to get up to 80 mph, on the rare occasions when
surrounding traffic warrants going this high. From experience driving it, I
estimate its optimal mpg occurs closer to 50 mph.

Without further investigation (e.g. the Fit could be significantly lighter
than the Civic, so its acceleration may turn out to be better), I remain
concerned that I would notice the lack of power. Of course, one could adjust
to it, but as long as much bigger engines are on the road (for similar size
vehicles), I am not sure I would be comfortable with even less acceleration
capability.

 

But how much does the Fit/Jazz weigh, and how much does your Civic weigh?

You keep focusing on the raw power without any context. 80hp on a
motorcycle is WAY better than 92hp on your Civic.

Why do you keep ignoring the mass issue?

 

I don't. Why do you keep failing to either read my posts or understand
English?

Jerk.

 

I don't. Why do you keep failing to either read my posts or understand
English?[/QUOTE]

You do. You focus on horsepower. Weight is inconsequential to you.

 

Wrong car. I meant the 1.4 Fit versus the 1.2Jazz What a Civic
does is immaterial. The 1.2l Jazz gets 7-8mph better highway
mileage than the 1.4 version for hardly any difference in power.

 

You do. You focus on horsepower. Weight is inconsequential to you.[/QUOTE]


He should also figure out that horsepower is a made up figure.
All that matters is torque. Period. All the rest is gearing
and how hard you rev it.

And Honda engines love to rev. Definately not a Buick

 

Bullshit. Period.