2008 Honda Civic Ex Maintenance Schedule

You're wrong, and that's all that matters.

Polfus

 

You're having a meltdown, and I love it.

Bottom line: you were wrong.

Polfus

 

"I want to take care of my Honda. What is the published schedule?
There is none? Really? Why not? Surely there is one. Oh, my dealer
has one. I need a published schedule of time/miles!"

Honda doesn't publish a maintenance schedule. Get that through your
thick skull. There is no single maintenance schedule that covers every
driver. Get that through your thick skull.

People want a published schedule because they don't trust the MM. Why
they don't trust a detailed schedule personalized to their driving
habits, I don't know. But that's what I'm responding to.

YOU keep wanting a Honda-generated published schedule. There isn't one,
and you refuse to acknowledge that fact.

So if you want to do it more frequently, then do it more frequently.
Why the hangup on "I want to see a Honda time/miles schedule!"?

Either create your own, or follow the MM. Take your pick. Makes no
never mind. But don't expect Honda to publish a time/miles schedule,
not with the MM in place. Why would you think Honda would publish such
a schedule after having spent the effort on the MM?

Any such schedule coming from Honda would tell people that "hey, even
Honda doesn't trust this thing". Not gonna happen.

The manufacturer's recommendations are the manufacturer's
recommendations. They don't publish two competing and mutually
exclusive recommendations.

Who's insulting whom? If you choose to infer an insult, that's YOUR
problem. Not mine. Grow up.

That's fine--but you are never gonna get it. See above.

I don't have to think anything. Your behavior spells out everything.

I know that for 100% certainty, yes. As does anyone else who's spent
any time in the business world, who has paid attention.

BMW is in business to add value for their shareholders. They don't do
something simply because it's superior; it has to make financial sense.
They chose to offer 4 years of routine maintenance as a marketing tool;
the hand behind their back said, "make sure those owners don't come in
more than a couple times during those four years, so we don't lose
money". Hence BMW's own "routine maintenance" recommendations.

BMW didn't choose to lose money for its shareholders simply because
"it's superior".

You really need to grow up and get out in the real world.

 

You're wrong, and that's all that matters.[/QUOTE]

You're showing yourself for who you are, and that's all that matters.

 

au contraire post humper. how old /are/ you polfus?

 

You're showing yourself for who you are, and that's all that matters.[/QUOTE]

Only to folks like you, who are raging trolls.

Polfus

 

Hey..I never asked for the damn thing. I haven't called anyone, nor am I
trying to find such a schedule.

I said repeatedly that I shall follow the MM.

All I said was it sure would be nice if Honda could throw something into the
manual to outline the schedule, even if it means saying its not accurate and
the MM is the ultimate guide to the car's maintenance.

I don't need the auto gear-shift timings either, but I would love to see
them.

I don't need the reason they chose P225/50 R17 93Vs for my '08 Accord, but I
sure would love to see it.

Don't you get it, dude?

No shit!

Thank you for stating the completely obvious!

You're a real piece of work, dude.

That may explain why I said "in general".

Or because they wonder what would happen if the MM failed, and they had no
cash to get it fixed.

Or they want to know how to plan for upccoming maintenance expense costs, so
they may plan their budget Accordingly ( pun intended ).

Or in case the MM turns out ot be wrong, perhaps proven later in a statement
by Honda.

Or they may enjoy simply checking the schedule against the MM's accuracy, as
car enthusiasts.

There's four reasons you didn't even think of, and none of them has to do
with not trusting the MM.

Not everything is so black and white, Elmo.

The sooner you realize that the less grief you will have.

But I ain't counting on it.

I never said once that I didn't trust it.

You understand that, or not?

You're crazy....I have been saying I wish there was one, because there
obviously IS NOT one.

Your logic is faulty, buddy.

Because it would be interesting, not to mention nice to have as a back-up,
just in case the MM fails or turns out ot have been programmed wrong. You
know that Toyota ( they have pretty good engineers too ) just cut back their
recommendations for oil changes to 5000 miles. It used to be 7500 miles.

Think a car company can't change its mind, or recommendations at a later
point?

Why is Toyota lessening the interval?

I think that should make anyone wonder what's going on with motor oils these
days...

No hang up though...I never started a thread stating that I wish I had the
damn thing.

All I said is that it would be nice.

Its that simple.

Marketing wise, thats a really good question, and I have to say you got me
there.

I didn't say anything about BMW...why the repeated hangup there?

What I DID mention was Mercedes.

They got it wrong, and so thats another reason why I would have liked some
kind of schedule to see what Honda is thinking.

Mercedes has good engineers too, right? You think maybe as good as Honda?

READ THIS, don't ignore it:

http://www.lubereport.com/e_article000146166.cfm

April 26, 2003
Conventional Oil Costs Carmaker $32 Million

By Tim Sullivan

American owners of Mercedes-Benz cars were awarded a $32 million settlement
this month on a complaint that their engines may have sustained early wear
because they were not advised to use synthetic motor oil.

The class action settlement, approved April 9 by a U.S. District Court judge
in Philadelphia, calls for Mercedes-Benz USA to mail vouchers for a free oil
change to more than 350,000 owners and lessees of cars from the 1998 through
2001 model years. In addition, the company commits to cover repairs
estimated to cost $20 million.

The case involved a Flexible Service System (FSS), included on nearly all
Mercedes-Benz cars sold in the United States from 1998 to 2001. The system
is designed to help owners lower maintenance costs and to reduce
environmental impacts of used motor oil by advising owners when the oil
truly needs to be changed. According to Mercedes-Benz, the system begins
with a minimum interval of 10,000 miles and adjusts upward as it detects
favorable conditions, such as extended highway travel.

Documentation brought forth during the case indicated that intervals ranged
up to 20,000 miles, with the average being 12,000 miles.

The problem, according to the plaintiffs, was that owners manuals and
promotional materials advised motorists to use conventional motor oils.

****"The company's intentions - to save its customers money and to protect
the
environment - are certainly commendable," attorney Kenneth Jacobsen told
Lube Report. "But it didn't work because conventional oils just don't stand
up to those intervals."****

****Mercedes-Benz mailed a letter to owners in 2001 advising them to use
synthetic motor oils. Ironically, it was that letter that eventually led the
original plaintiff, Joseph A. O'Keefe, to file suit.****

*****"A system that monitors oil condition and the amount of highway driving
can
often prescribe much longer change intervals," Heiler said. The FSS does not
directly monitor oil condition.*******

The vouchers to be mailed by Mercedes-Benz will pay for installation of
synthetic oils. With their face value of $35, that part of the settlement
has a price tag of $12.3 million. Judge Franklin S. Van Antwerpen arrived at
$20 million for potential repairs based on expert testimony. His decision
approving the settlement cited allegations that several thousand owners had
reported problems by the time O'Keefe filed his suit.

Oh shut up already.

Here's another you should READ:

http://www.practicingoilanalysis.com/article_printer_friendly.asp?articleid=562

Polfus

 

Again, you prove my point.

Aren't you supposed to be tired of this thread, or at least posting stuff
with "Honda merit"..you know, to practice what you preach and all that?

M-E-L-T-D-O-W-N.

LOL!

Polfus

 

Again, you prove my point.[/QUOTE]

Nice avoidance of the question.

 

Have you READ the manual?

 

Or because they wonder what would happen if the MM failed, and they had no
cash to get it fixed.

Or they want to know how to plan for upccoming maintenance expense costs, so
they may plan their budget Accordingly ( pun intended ).

Or in case the MM turns out ot be wrong, perhaps proven later in a statement
by Honda.

Or they may enjoy simply checking the schedule against the MM's accuracy, as
car enthusiasts.

There's four reasons you didn't even think of, and none of them has to do
with not trusting the MM.[/QUOTE]

I can think of all kinds of extremes, but I don't live my life that way.

 

Because it would be interesting, not to mention nice to have as a back-up,
just in case the MM fails or turns out ot have been programmed wrong. You
know that Toyota ( they have pretty good engineers too ) just cut back their
recommendations for oil changes to 5000 miles. It used to be 7500 miles.

Think a car company can't change its mind, or recommendations at a later
point?[/QUOTE]

Think they can't re-program the freaking computer?

 

Only to folks like you, who are raging trolls.[/QUOTE]

So, you think your posts are showing themselves only to me and not to
the rest of the world?

 

Think they can't re-program the freaking computer?[/QUOTE]


I'm just going to wait for the oil life to get to 15% and then bring it for
an oil change and do the tire rotation at 10,000 miles. etc etc. Its a
leased car anyway, theres no reason to go over board with the service.