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But why should I go to that trouble when you will only come back and say
I doctored up the photo. If you don't believe me now why should I
expect you to believe me when I post a picture someplace. Besides, I
don't care if you believe me or not.
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What steady foot? That's what cruise control is for.

 

Not when it's slippery.
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The price today is $3.96.9 for regular, (87) and $3.97.9 for super (89)
per U.S. gal. They have no price signs posted only at the pump. So
there ya go Dan.

BTW how old are you and what part of the country do you live in?
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Not disbelief, moreso curiosity. I am OK either way.
Tomes

 

dbu;

You don't have to answer every post, this is a newsgroup not an AOL chat
room.

 

First of all, 89 octane is not "super". It's "mid-grade". Super/Premium
is at least 91 octane, oftentimes 93.

As for "there ya go...", actually you are proving my point. A gas station
with no signs, huh? How often do you (or anyone) see that??? I have
*NEVER* seen it, and it just reinforces the idea that you're bullshitting
us. Gas stations have signs showing their prices, period.

The fact that you won't post a pic to the website I indicated above proves
that you're not being honest. It's no harder to upload a picture to there
than it is to email it to me (which you were apparently willing to do).
Take a picture of the friggin pump if you have to, showing the prices for
all three grades. All pumps show that too, before you claim otherwise.

Your move, big boy.

I'm over 40, and I live in the SE part of the country. Why?

 

It's no harder to upload a pic to there than it is to email it to me.

The fact that you're reluctant to do so pretty much confirms what I'm
saying.

 

Over 40, does that tell me you are 41, but less than 50? That means you
were 8 or 10 years old when we had the great Jimmy Carter gas shortage
with long lines. Do you remember? Most likely not.

89 is called super. We have strict regulations here so do not worry,
it's not scam. 87 is regular and 89 is called premium or "super". I
don't know of gas stations here that offer 91 or, wow, 93!!
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Yes, over 40 and under 50. I vaguely remember the long gas lines, but
whatever... not relevant.

Interesting that you don't address the rest of my post, regarding posting
the pic for others to view. How come?

Where do you live, that thinks 89 is "super", and don't have 91/93?

 

Why do you say it is not relevant?

I live in the great NorthWest.

Here, 87 = regular, 89 = premium, or super as this station calls it.
One penny difference.

I checked for a photo, but it's not possible. I also considered posting
their phone number, but after five seconds of thought I round filed that
idea. You will just have to trust me which you won't, but again I don't
care.
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Because it isn't relevant. What the **** do gas prices or long lines from
30+ years ago have to do with your claim that premium sells for one penny
more than regular???

I don't believe that, nor does anyone else. You're making an outrageous,
unsubstantiated claim, and when asked to provide some proof, you are
unable or unwilling to do so. That makes you a bullshitter, and I (among
others) don't buy your story.

A photo certainly is possible, but you don't want to do that as it will
blow your claim out of the water. You're a lying bullshitter, and have
been called on it. Run along, boy.

 

http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/wrgp/gasoline_grades.html

Definitions of Gasoline Grades
The classification of gasoline by octane ratings. Each type of
gasoline (conventional, oxygenated, and reformulated) is classified by
three grades - Regular, Midgrade, and Premium. Note: Gasoline sales
are reported by grade in accordance with their classification at the
time of sale. In general, automotive octane requirements are lower at
high altitudes. Therefore, in some areas of the United States, such as
the Rocky Mountain States, the octane ratings for the gasoline grades
may be 2 or more octane points lower.

Regular Gasoline: Gasoline having an antiknock index, i.e., octane
rating, greater than or equal to 85 and less than 88. Note: Octane
requirements may vary by altitude.

Midgrade Gasoline: Gasoline having an antiknock index, i.e., octane
rating, greater than or equal to 88 and less than or equal to 90.
Note: Octane requirements may vary by altitude.

Premium Gasoline: Gasoline having an antiknock index, i.e., octane
rating, greater than 90. Note: Octane requirements may vary by
altitude.

 

You must be joking now... Many cars require 91 Octane. I can't
imagine a gas station in the country not offering it, let alone an
entire region...

 

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Huh?

If it's too slippery out to use cruise control on the highway, it is
too slippery to be going 65 MPH.

 

Actually, in at least some modern cars, premium gas can improve
mileage and performance. Cars with knock sensors will advance the
timing with higher octane fuel. The more advanced timing will improve
fuel economy and performance. I know that at least some Honda engines
do this, not sure about Toyota. The improvement is small and wouldn't
justify the extra 20 cents.

It is hard to believe that anybody is selling Premium for a penny more
than regular. How is the intermediate grade priced?

 

No intermediate, just 87 and 89.
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Who said anything about going 65 when it's slippery out?
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We live in the great Northwest, that's the way it is, 87 and 89, a penny
difference.
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That's nice.

Note: The station I go to has TWO grades, please pay attention,

Regular 87 octane

Super 89 octane, one cent per gallon more than regular.

There may be 91 octane at some other station in the area, but I've not
seen it. There is one station that offers non-oxygenated premium fuel
for lawn mowers, snowblowers etc. By state law it is forbidden to use
non-oxygenated fuel in vehicles other than old classic or antique
collectable cars which display an antique license plate.
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