88 Accord, Poor Compression, Chugging sound at exhaust

Discussion in 'Accord' started by Ralph, Oct 18, 2004.

  1. Ralph

    Ralph Guest

    I have an 88 Honda Accord with 371,000 KM on it and I think the problem is
    that it is basically worn out. The compression on all cylinders is between
    75 & 90 psi. It is suppose to be at least 141 according to the manual. The
    timing belt needed changing so I did that job a couple of weeks ago but no
    change in the symptoms. There is a chugging/puffing sound that comes out the
    exhaust. I am thinking that this would be caused by exhaust valves that are
    not seating. I have checked valve clearance and they are all set within
    specs. I am assuming that the problem is a new head assembly and not rings
    as it doesn't burn oil. I have heard that the catalytic converter plugs up
    on these older vehicles and that I should remove it and put in a straight
    pipe. No emission testing where I live, so that may be the cheapest next
    step. Anyone else had a similar situation?
     
    Ralph, Oct 18, 2004
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  2. If you don't have emissions testing requirements, remove the converter,
    cut a hole in the top and dump the contents. Re weld a patch over the
    previously cut hole and press on... However, I suspect that a set of
    rings, valve job, and new bearings would be a major contributor to a
    better running vehicle as well...
     
    Grumpy au Contraire, Oct 18, 2004
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  3. I also had a 88 LXI and sold it three years ago with 378,000 miles on it.
    Hopefully it is still running around town with over 400,000 miles on it. At
    200K, I was blowing a lot of oil. I had the engine block slit, baked and
    the face planed. After three attempt we put in over sized pistons because
    of a waiver in the wall, and one piston was still blowing oil. The
    difference in the initial estimate was $200 less than for a remanunfactured
    short block. The dealership ate more than the $200 to get it right after
    three attempts. The short block looking back should and was the correct
    fix. The final outcome was more power and another 178,000 miles. A car
    this old everything shrinks, cracks, or falls apart when you touch it. Give
    it the respect it deserves and park in the driveway and just sit in it and
    play the radio once in a while--no kidding.
     
    James M. Kelly, Oct 19, 2004
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  4. Ralph

    Ralph Guest

    As a follow-up to my original post, the problem has now been found. The
    compression test was redone using a gauge with a thread adaptor into the
    spark plug hole. This set of tests were good, between 160 and 165 on all
    four cylinders. The contents of the Catalytic converter have been removed
    and leaving the shell in place. Spark has been verified on all four
    cylinders. With the engine running, the ignition wire was removed from the
    #3 cylinder without any noticeable difference in engine speed. #3 cylinder
    was dead, but had good compression and spark. Ran the engine with #3 spark
    plug removed and the air expelled through the spark plug hole lacked the
    smell of "gas", just plain air. This is a carburetored engine, how can 3
    cylinders get fuel/air mixture but the one cylinder doesn't, that was the
    question. In close examination of the face between the intake manifold and
    the cylinder head (at #3 cylinder intake port), a small section of gasket
    seemed to have vanished. This was confirmed with a fine wire that could be
    pushed between the two surfaces. At high speed or under full throttle there
    is enough fuel going through the carb and the leak is small enough that the
    problem is barely noticeable. If the gasket gap had been on the bottom side
    of the intake manifold, it is doubtful that it would have been detected.
     
    Ralph, Oct 25, 2004
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  5. Ralph

    Eric Guest

    It sounds like you had a really bad vacuum leak. This could have been
    easily detected by spraying carburetor cleaner on the manifold to head
    junction or via a propane enrichment test.

    Eric
     
    Eric, Oct 25, 2004
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