'90 Civic: Extremely sluggish low-end acceleration, poor fuel economy

Discussion in 'Civic' started by Bruce, Jul 19, 2005.

  1. Bruce

    jim beam Guest


    plugged pcv can be compensated, just as you describe, but under load,
    especially under heavy load, you /really/ want that thing working
    properly. experiment with a hose clamp if you want to test.
     
    jim beam, Jul 22, 2005
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  2. Bruce

    jim beam Guest

    i'm not sure the 90's do. my 89 does, but my 91 crx didn't - it just
    had a single mark - and i did check! i think this is because at about
    this time, the newer timing lights came out with adjustable advance
    angle. just set the degrees you want on the timing light and adjust the
    tdc mark accordingly. with the 4-mark system, you can use an older
    style non-advance timing light.
     
    jim beam, Jul 22, 2005
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  3. Bruce

    TeGGeR® Guest



    Absolutely, for preventing the pumping of junk into the intake, the PCV
    valve is 100% essential. At WOT is when you stand the greatest chance of
    oil getting pumped into the intake even with a correctly-functioning PCV
    valve. At WOT and high revs, blowby is going BOTH ways, both through the
    PCV AND through the breather.

    But for simple air/fuel management, it's not a big factor at any pressure
    differential. Especially OBD-II cars are more than capable of compensating
    for PCV problems, both leaks and restrictions.

    By the way, I just tried the same thing on our '99 Tercel:

    1): The hose-plug test was identical to the Integra, except that the idle
    never dropped. It appears that the Tercel's engine management system is
    faster than the Integra's, and responded too quickly for the idle to drop.
    Idle remained the same.

    2) When I pulled the hose off the intake, creating the same massive air
    leak I had subjected the Integra to, again the idle did not drop, but
    immediately began a surge cycle. The Tercel has no tach, but it did not
    seem to rev nearly as high as the Integra, and its cycle time was about a
    half-second instead of the Integra's full second. The idle settled down
    immediately once the pipe was plugged with my thumb.

    I discovered I could uncover fully half the exposed intake pipe before
    cycling began. Slowly uncovering the pipe resulted in a steadily INCREASING
    idle until surging began. Half of the intake pipe appears to be roughly
    what would be admitted by the PCV valve itself at full-flow.
     
    TeGGeR®, Jul 22, 2005
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  4. Bruce

    Elle Guest

    magnificent snipping, something some people, whom I will not name but whose
    initials are J.B., should try ;-)
    My 1991 Civic does.

    The UK manual for the CRX, claimed to cover 1988-1991 but also in places
    indicating it may be just for 1988, also shows four marks.

    The UK manual for 1995-97 Civics shows four marks.
    Sure. I believe you. A few perhaps pertinent observations:

    The CRX is not identical to the Civic. (I assume you know this, but I wanted
    to clarify for the original poster.) For example, on the CRX, the "ignition
    timing adjusting connector" that needs to be jumpered is in the engine
    compartment on the CRX. It's in the passenger footwell on my Civic.

    My Chilton's manual has two drawings, covering the 1984-1991 Civic/CRX/del
    Sols, showing four marks. But it also has a photo showing one mark.

    The online UK manual for 1990-1994 Concertos shows five marks...

    I'm betting the OP's 1990 Civic crank pulley has four timing marks.
     
    Elle, Jul 22, 2005
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  5. Bruce

    jim beam Guest

    it is mechanically and electrically.
    it's in the passenger footwell of the 91 crx.
    maybe it's a peculiarity of japanese imports vs. canadian imports?

    the only difference at the end of the day is $20 - the difference
    between sears' standard "fixed" timing light & their angle advance model.
     
    jim beam, Jul 22, 2005
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