91 Accord - Brake Problem

Discussion in 'Accord' started by Joe Guarino, May 1, 2005.

  1. Joe Guarino

    Joe Guarino Guest

    I seem to be having trouble with my brakes. I think that the power booster
    pushrod is pressing against the master cylinder and causing the brakes to
    drag ever so slightly. At high speeds, the rotors heat up, causing the
    steering wheel to shake. After a short while, you then begin to smell the
    brake pads and you can feel the heat off the rotors. Is there a special
    procedure to adjust the booster pushrod? I can't seem to get it to change
    its position in relation to the booster. I've had the booster off the car
    and moved the adjuster nut on the back of the booster, which I thought would
    change the relation of the pushrod, but it has not made any difference.
    When the master cylinder is attached to the booster, there should be
    clearance between the pushrod and master cylinder piston (1/32 in.) I'm
    going crazy with this problem.....any help is appreciated. Joe
     
    Joe Guarino, May 1, 2005
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  2. That seems to be the procedure Haynes describes (although they call for
    measurement of the depth of the master cylinder piston mating surface
    compared to the measurement of the pushrod from the surface, and specify 0
    to 0.016 inches). Are you able to tell if the adjustment does anything at
    all?

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, May 2, 2005
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  3. Joe Guarino

    Joe Guarino Guest

    Thanks for the reply. As I tried to make the adjustment, I used a straight
    edge and a 6 in. scale to measure the end of the pushrod from the face of
    the booster. After adjusting the rod, I saw no change in the position of
    the pushrod. I am really stumped. Since I left the locking star nut loose,
    I guess I will try moving the rod to one extreme and then the other.
    Moving the position of the rod is suppose to change the position of the
    pushrod. Maybe by trial and error I will figure it out. Thanks again. Joe
     
    Joe Guarino, May 2, 2005
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  4. Joe Guarino

    TeGGeR® Guest


    How do you know this? A mis-adjusted pushrod generally makes the brakes
    stick on a little more each time you step on the pedal, until the car is
    immobile.

    Your caliper pistons are likely sticking on account of gum and rust on the
    piston, causing the pads to drag on the rotor. Pull the brakes apart and
    check.


    Your slide pins and pads are probably sticking as well.

    http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/Brakes.html#troubleshooting
    http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/rustybrakes/brakes1.html
     
    TeGGeR®, May 2, 2005
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  5. Joe Guarino

    Guest Guest

    Joe.
    It is possible that you are "barking up the wrong tree".
    Every time that I had the symptoms that you describe, (over heated
    rotors, steering wheel shake at highway speed, smell of burnt rubber)
    it turned out to be defective/binding calipers, they were binding
    because rust would build-up on the caliper in the area just behind the
    dust boot.
    My fix was to either rebuild/clean the calipers -if rebuild kits were
    available, or replace them with rebuilt units.
    HTH
    JerryR
     
    Guest, May 2, 2005
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  6. Joe Guarino

    Joe Guarino Guest

    The calipers are rebuilt....both sides. I replaced the flexible brake
    lines, thinking that they may have been collapsed. Still the same problem.
    If I put the car in neutral, it should roll freely, but it doesn't. I need
    to make an adjustment to the pushrod, but I'm not sure how. Thank you, Joe
     
    Joe Guarino, May 2, 2005
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  7. Joe Guarino

    Joe Guarino Guest

    It does seem like the problem gets worse, the longer you drive the car. I
    thought that it was because the longer the car was drive, the more heat was
    generated by the brake pressure against the rotors. The calipers are
    rebuilt....one only a few days old. The slide pins are clean and well
    lubricated. I need to determine how to adjust the pushrod......which I
    believe to be the problem. The master cylinder is a rebuilt too. Thanks
    for the reply, Joe
     
    Joe Guarino, May 2, 2005
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  8. Joe Guarino

    TeGGeR® Guest



    For the Civic/Integra:

    Back the pushrod in until the brakes do not lock on. Adjustment is done at
    the "star" locknut against the booster, NOT the locknut against the clevis
    that attaches to the pedal!

    Accord may be the same.
     
    TeGGeR®, May 2, 2005
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  9. Joe Guarino

    NomoreRGS Guest

    I had a similar problem on my 91 Accord DX. It turned out to be the
    brake pads binding on the calipers as the pad backing rusted a little.
    I took the pads off and hit the edges that slide on the caliper with
    emery paper. It did the trick! But then less than a year later the
    problem returned. I took them off again and used a file to remove the
    rust and just a little metal so it wont happen anytime soon. It's
    been over a year now and it hasn't happened again.

    If you have had this problem for any length of time or it has been
    very bad ("begin to smell the brake pads") the rotors may be heat
    damaged.
     
    NomoreRGS, May 2, 2005
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  10. Joe Guarino

    motsco_ _ Guest


    ---------------------------

    MANY years ago I had a Volvo 122S that did exactly what you're
    describing. The vacuum assist was activating, and the front disks would
    get HOT! Tried to pass on the highway and suddenly started to go
    SLooowwwer. Got out and made the mistake of touching the disk. I heard
    it before I felt it. Sizzle. It was - 40 at the time, but it was
    troublesome all that winter. Finally adjusted the rod inside and fixed it.

    The Volvo had an excuse (it was a #%$&! Volvo)

    'Curly'
     
    motsco_ _, May 4, 2005
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