91 Honda Accord Alternator

Discussion in 'Accord' started by jamesfinlay, Jan 26, 2006.

  1. jamesfinlay

    jamesfinlay Guest

    Here is the deal. About 2 weeks ago I saw the battery warning light
    come on so I had it checked at Autozone and they said the alternator
    was bad and not putting out. So I bought a new alternator and decided
    to install it myself (1st time). It was a bear getting the old one out
    since I did not remove the power steering pump. I did get it out and
    thought I should bench test the old one before I installed the new one.
    I brought it to the same Autozone and had it tested and they said it
    was fine! So I reinstalled the old one. My car ran fine for about 10
    days and then when I went to start it this morning the warning light
    was on again. It was a very cold night last night (in the teens).
    Yesterday when I started the car there was a screech for about half a
    second (loose belt on the alternator pully?). Any ideas would be
    helpful. Thanks!
     
    jamesfinlay, Jan 26, 2006
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  2. jamesfinlay

    Elle Guest

    Things to consider:

    How many miles and years are on this alternator? If over
    about 85k miles, consider replacing the alternator brush
    assembly. Plenty on the net to document that worn brushes
    tend to be the most common cause of alternator failure and
    are the essence of an alternator rebuild and will cause the
    warning light to come on and go off intermittently.

    An OEM brush assembly may be had at www.slhonda.com at a
    very fair price.

    It could be a loose belt, as well.

    If the alternator is old, I'd replace the bearings, brush
    assembly, and belt, tighten the belt per guidance on the net
    and see what happens. That screech at cold start is likely
    the belt and is exactly what I had not long ago when I
    replaced the belt by myself for the first time. Folks here
    said to tighten it. That was the problem.

    I trust you have thoroughly cleaned the battery terminals
    and tightened its connections.
     
    Elle, Jan 26, 2006
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  3. jamesfinlay

    Elle Guest

    I should have added:

    Do not trust Autozone's people to diagnose this. I had them
    do a "check" on my battery and alternator once. The guy
    didn't know what he was doing, based on what I subsequently
    found out from my 91 Civic's manual about doing these
    checks.

    How old is your battery? I recommend doing the basic checks
    of it and the alternator using the free online manual at
    www.autozone.com . For example, check the battery voltage
    with the car running, all electrical accessories off
    (headlights off, interior heater fan off, etc.). Record.
    Leave the car running, and turn on the headlights and
    defroster. Record the battery voltage. Turn the car off, and
    record the battery voltage. Report back.
     
    Elle, Jan 26, 2006
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    You should have changed the BRUSHES while it was out. That's the only
    part that wears out (unless you mess up the diodes while boosting). Too
    bad Autozone didn't suggest a brushes kit instead . . .

    'Curly'
     
    'Curly Q. Links', Jan 26, 2006
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  5. In the process of fooling with it you dislodged the brushes and it
    started working again. When a brush is at the end of the service life
    it has trouble maintaining the proper contact. Often you can tap the
    alternator when it is signalling no charge and it will start working
    again. It will, however, go permanenetly bad within a relatively
    short period of time and you will need to replace the alternator or
    re-brush.

    I limped along with a bad alternator on a 90 for about four months by
    giving it a sharp rap each time it was signalling no charge.

    Frank
     
    Frank Boettcher, Jan 26, 2006
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  6. jamesfinlay

    notbob Guest

    It's the brushes.

    I just went through the same thing on my '87 Si. Same symptoms. Pull
    the alternator again ...it'll be easier this time... and replace the
    whole brushes assembly. You can buy a pair of new carbon brushes for
    less than $5, but you have to tear the brushes assy apart and resolder
    the brush leads and get the springs to fit back.... SCREW ALL THAT!!.
    Just buy the complete brush assembly for about $30 from your dealer
    and it's a screw/nut driver replacement job. Shouldn't take more than
    a couple-three hours.

    Tip: When installing the new brush assy over the shafts, insert a
    thin metal pin or rod between the shaft and the brushes to hold the
    brushes up off the shaft. When the assy is fully seated, pull the pin
    to let the brushes drop. I used my smallest allen wrench.

    nb
     
    notbob, Jan 26, 2006
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  7. jamesfinlay

    TeGGeR® Guest



    All of $20 for the brush holder set. And they can even be changed in-situ
    on some Hondas.
     
    TeGGeR®, Jan 27, 2006
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  8. jamesfinlay

    xp7br Guest

     
    xp7br, Jan 28, 2006
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  9. jamesfinlay

    xp7br Guest

     
    xp7br, Jan 28, 2006
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  10. jamesfinlay

    xp7br Guest

    Its the brushes located on the end of the rotor. I went to the
    wrecking yard and recovered a half worn set by taking along a few
    small wrenches and removing the stamped metal cover on the rear of the
    alt.---while still on the car. Mine lasted for 192,000 miles (1991
    Accord EX) and the set I recovered was from a 1996 accord. Same
    thing---half worn---good enough for me. They wanted hundreds at the
    parts places for a rebuilt alternator. Works fine now, but I did buy a
    new alt. and power steering belt and replace them while I was at it.
     
    xp7br, Jan 28, 2006
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