92 Civic losing coolant and overheating

Discussion in 'Civic' started by jophus, Aug 6, 2006.

  1. jophus

    jophus Guest

    I just bought a 92 Civic 1.5L with 193,000 miles. It runs great when
    the coolant level is full. However, after driving for about 30-40
    miles, it loses enough coolant to cause the engine to overheat. There
    is very slight evidence of white smoke exhaust, although it almost
    undetectable. When I start it, there is the smell of coolant that
    comes through the vents. I've replaced the thermostat, ECT sensor that
    goes to the fan, upper and lower radiator hoses, and the radiator is
    new. Does this indicate that I have a small crack somewhere in the
    cylinder head? I've always thought that a malfunction in the cylinder
    head would render an engine almost useless and since the engine is
    strong (when not overheating), I assumed the problem was somewhere
    else. If it is the cylinder head, which is the best route to take in
    purchasing a new head: brand new or remanufactured? Thanks. Paul
     
    jophus, Aug 6, 2006
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    jim beam Guest

    head gasket. several threads on this in the last couple of weeks.
     
    jim beam, Aug 6, 2006
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  3. jophus

    Elle Guest

    A head gasket failure is more likely. The group seems to be
    getting a lot of such failures due to the heat wave. Though
    in this case, the person who sold you the car might have
    known...

    Repair will cost around $500 to $1000 at a shop.

    Do not drive the car. If it overheats too much, the cost of
    the repair will rise.

    No, it just leaks either coolant into the cylinders or oil
    into the cooling system, or both.

    Thus you can also check the appearance of the coolant (any
    oil in it?) and oil (is it looking thick, like Wendy's
    Frosty consistency?).
     
    Elle, Aug 6, 2006
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  4. I'm guessing there is a warp of the head in conjunction with the bad gasket,
    but the fix is basically the same either way: the head has to come off, be
    checked and/or milled for flatness, and a new head gasket has to be fitted.

    As Elle indicates, it is not just a possibility any more. The spraying of
    coolant out one cylinder when another is pressurized is a positive
    indication.

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, Aug 7, 2006
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    jim beam Guest

    what does it indicate? it indicates that your planet earth is about to
    collide with your sun. the party's over. the cops are knocking on the
    door and are just about to shoot the lock off. the microwave doesn't
    work. your girlfriend has left you for a quebecois waiter named marcel.
    and you need a new head gasket.

    google rec.autos.makers.honda for a thread titled "Proper Radiator Cap
    Pressure Rating for 1994 Honda Accord EX?"
     
    jim beam, Aug 7, 2006
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  6. jophus

    jim beam Guest

    my position on head recovery is that if you have the luxury of doing the
    job yourself, you get to choose what happens as a repair route. milling
    it is not necessarily a good thing, and in my experience*, is sometimes
    downright destructive for an aluminum head. the #1 thing is to *CHECK*
    the head. if flat, re-use as-is [after cleaning up of course]. if
    *slightly* warped, also check the block. if the two are "warped in
    sympathy", do not mill the head! or at least, not if they're both
    within the same ballpark of each other. flatness is easy to check with
    a metal spirit level as a straight edge and feeler gauges to measure any
    distortion.

    * aluminum castings like this gouge easily. depending on the milling
    [skimming] operation and the tool used, a cutting edge can pick up a
    piece of material in the casting, but instead of slicing through it,
    push it all the way along the surface plowing out an increasingly deep
    furrow as it goes. and these things can be real deep too. [no gasket
    is going to seal for very long after that.] the cutting operation needs
    to be high quality and appropriate to the material, leaving it with a
    fine smooth surface. myth about "heads need a little roughness to
    'bite' the gasket" are utter bunk. d.i.y. head finishing operations can
    be done with a block of 6"x4" [or larger depending on your hand size]
    x3/4" plate glass scrap and wet & dry paper. remarkable flatness can be
    achieved with a little patience and a well distributed polishing
    pattern. scrub thoroughly [with a scrubbing brush] with plenty of soapy
    water at least twice to remove all traces of silicon carbide afterwards.
     
    jim beam, Aug 7, 2006
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    nm5k Guest

    That indicates you found the problem. Bad head gasket.
    MK
     
    nm5k, Aug 8, 2006
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