92 Honda Accord - will not start

Discussion in 'Accord' started by JH, Jan 16, 2007.

  1. JH

    JH Guest

    I have a 92 Honda accord that will crank over but will not start.

    I replaced the main relay, fuel filter, cap, rotor, and spark plugs.
    The distributer cap rotates when I rotate the engine. Timing belt
    seems to be OK. I removed one of the spark plugs and cranked the
    engine. There is a nice bright blue spark. I released the fuel
    pressure when I replaced the fuel filter, and then cranked the engine,
    a large stream of fuel squirted out of the fuel line when I cranked the
    engine. I had an assistant spray starting fluid into the intake while
    I cranked, but the engine did not show any sign of starting. When I
    crank the engine, the tach does not move at all, is this a sign that
    the igniter is bad? I have heard that the electrical ignition switches
    go out, but my car is not starting at all when cranking.

    Any help would be appreciated. Thank you in advance!

    Jeff
     
    JH, Jan 16, 2007
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  2. JH

    Tegger Guest




    Make certain that spark is actually making it all the way to the plug
    that's installed in the engine.

    If the current finds a ground anywhere before the plug, your tests will
    tell you nothing. Your blue spark tells you the distributor is just fine.

    Check the plug wire and the tube in the head for signs of arcing.
     
    Tegger, Jan 17, 2007
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  3. JH

    JH Guest

    I forgot to mention in the original post that I replaced the spark plug
    wires and wire from the coil to the distributor.

    Thank you for your feedback!

    Jeff
     
    JH, Jan 17, 2007
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  4. JH

    Tegger Guest



    What happens when you spray starting fluid while cranking?
     
    Tegger, Jan 17, 2007
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  5. JH

    JH Guest

    Absolutely nothing happens when I spray starter fluid into the intake.
    The engine cranks; the cylinders do not fire.
     
    JH, Jan 17, 2007
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  6. That means the spark isn't doing anything useful (or there is an internal
    engine problem or the engine is badly flooded). Your original post describes
    a strong blue spark, which means the ignitor was working okay then. Please
    be aware that cranking with no place for the spark to go is likely to short
    the ignition coil - don't ask me how I know :-(

    If there is a spark and it isn't igniting the fuel, check the timing. If
    it's way off, the timing belt isn't as good as it looks. Don't just set the
    belt timing back unless the belt is brand new; replace the belt.

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, Jan 17, 2007
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  7. JH

    Tegger Guest


    Have you checked to see if there's any sign of arcing in the spark plug
    tubes?

    Have you checked ignition timing when you crank?

    Have you tried the "pedal to the floor" trick while cranking? This will
    help clear a flooded condition.
     
    Tegger, Jan 17, 2007
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  8. JH

    NoMoreRGS Guest

    Most of the obvious thing you have done or others have suggested. Did
    anything unusual or different happen before the problem occurred? It
    might help in diagnosing the mystery.

    Does it still crank about the same speed as before the problem? Any
    new noises? No check engine light the went away?

    You have spark, probably no problem compression, and fuel before the
    injectors. Maybe there is a problem with the injector system. The
    starting fluid should have made the engine want to start unless it had
    way to much fuel. Hold the gas pedal to the floor while cranking
    should have helped unless there is just too much fuel.

    Try starting it again. Then pull a plug, see if it's wet and or
    smells like gas. Take a whiff close to the spark plug hole and maybe
    even the tail pipe for gas.

    Possibly a weak coil? Strong enough to fire a plug outside the engine
    but not with a little fuel and a lot of pressure inside the engine.
     
    NoMoreRGS, Jan 18, 2007
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  9. JH

    JH Guest

    I really appreciate everyone's advice. I did get my car started,
    finally! Here's what I think is happening:

    I noticed that two of the spark plugs were fouled up with fuel. I
    pulled all the plugs overnight to let the cylinders dry out a bit.
    When I put the plugs back in, I pressed the gas pedal to the floor, and
    cranked the engine for about 30 seconds until it finally choked to
    life. I ran the car today, and the check engine light came on - code
    43. Anyone correct me if I'm wrong but the way I interpret this code
    is that the O2 sensor is seeing either an overly rich or lean mixture.
    I metered the fuel injectors and found that they all read about 60K
    ohms. The Haynes manual says they should read 5 to 7 ohms.

    Long story short, I think one or two injectors are failing. It
    wouldn't start because the car was sitting for four days without being
    started. At least one injector leaked, and flooded the engine.

    Sound about right?

    Considering the injectors are out of spec, I'm going to replace them
    and see if the problem clears up.

    Thank you,

    Jeff
     
    JH, Jan 19, 2007
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  10. JH

    Tegger Guest



    Your injectors are just crudded up.

    Keihin injectors NEVER "go bad". NEVER. Never never never. There is a very
    good reason they cost $250 each new. They are good forever. Their quality
    is without peer.

    If you can locate one of those places that does injector cleaning, you're
    best to just get yours scrubbed. Even a Motorvac service will do this with
    the injectors in-situ. www.motorvac.com
     
    Tegger, Jan 19, 2007
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