'93 Civic CX - DIED in parking lot?!?

Discussion in 'Civic' started by Adam Christopher Lawrence, May 30, 2007.

  1. sell it and get a monkey!
     
    Private Private, Jun 5, 2007
    #21
  2. Replacement engine installed. It's a D16Z6. No VTEC for the time
    being, still using the stock wiring and ECU.

    At least the car is running now!
     
    madmanguruman, Jun 7, 2007
    #22
  3. Adam Christopher Lawrence

    Tegger Guest

    wrote in @q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:

    Running well hot, cold and during warmup? Good power and pickup?

    Was it a straight drop-in ,or did the mechanic have to monkey around with
    the brackets and fittings?

    Did all your engine sensors fit properly?
     
    Tegger, Jun 8, 2007
    #23
  4. The replacement engine was fitted with a rebuilt distributor (with new
    sensors) and a fresh timing belt. A new radiator was installed, as the
    old one had the old-age corroded fin problem. The oil pressure sensor
    was swapped from my old engine. No warnings, alarams, CELs -
    everything seems to be running fine. It was a direct drop-in with no
    modifications to the mounts, AFAIK, since the Z6 engine is from the
    same model year.

    There's definitely a note change between the two engines. The D15B7
    sounded like an angry sewing machine. The D16Z6 actually has a more
    respectable throaty growl going on.

    The clown car is A/T so the acceleration gain isn't huge, but is
    noticeable. The low-end torque seems to be greater. The main thing
    that I've noticed is that the engine isn't working nearly as hard to
    get the car up to speed. The RPMs are definitely lower. Bringing it up
    to highway speed (120 - 130 km/h) is not a problem, and the vibration
    level is much reduced compared to what I'm used to. Without the VTEC
    wired up I didn't expect to see a speed improvement - 130 is as fast
    as I feel comfortable doing in such a small car, so no loss there.
    Finding a VTEC-enabled ECU and wiring up the VTEC isn't a priority,
    but if I happen to find a working one at a good price, I'll certainly
    go ahead with it.

    We've put 200km or so on the engine since the swap, and have had only
    a minor issue with a hose leak at the new radiator, which was repaired
    earlier today. We're going for a good highway drive later today.
     
    madmanguruman, Jun 9, 2007
    #24
  5. Adam Christopher Lawrence

    jim beam Guest

    it will be - the low speed part of the cam is optimized for it.
    now /that/ is impossible unless you also swapped the transmission!!!

    you should do it. the vtec cam has two profiles - low speed and high
    speed. running the low cam at high speed is losing efficiency.

    you can get a simple rev-triggered switch from one of the after-market
    companies that will work the solenoid for you - no new ecu required.

    this is not the one i had in mind, but it gives you an idea of what i mean:
    http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_10001_10002_754062_-1_11553

    don't switch the secondary cam at too low revs though. i think factory
    is near 5krpm.
     
    jim beam, Jun 9, 2007
    #25
  6. now /that/ is impossible unless you also swapped the transmission!!!

    I don't believe that a transmission swap was part of the equation.

    That being said, I agree that my perception that the engine isn't
    revving as high at certain speeds doesn't make sense. [shrug]
    I suppose that this would be a better-than-nothing approach, but would
    the cost significantly differ from a junkyard or eBay-sourced ECU?
     
    madmanguruman, Jun 9, 2007
    #26
  7. It's actually a function of the kickdown action and how the tranny
    controller knows about engine load, the very thing that raises the
    shiftpoints when the throttle is opened more. The engine doesn't work as
    hard one way or another, and the controller decides it is time to upshift to
    give the engine better load.

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, Jun 9, 2007
    #27
  8. Adam Christopher Lawrence

    jim beam Guest

    junkyard ecu's are uber-cheap - $40 in my neck of the woods. but they
    can be apita to wire if you existing wiring harness doesn't accommodate
    the upgrade. and it won't.

    on that basis, there's a strong argument for the after-market switch.
    but if there's any change in engine mapping [and i don't know if there
    is] that goes with the vtec ecu, vtec ecu is the better way to go.
     
    jim beam, Jun 9, 2007
    #28
  9. Adam Christopher Lawrence

    jim beam Guest

    if it's automatic. cruising speed won't have different revs.
     
    jim beam, Jun 9, 2007
    #29
  10. Right. The shift points will change (assuming an AT, otherwise it's up to
    the driver), but not the revs at any given speed.
     
    Michael Pardee, Jun 11, 2007
    #30
  11. 900km with no problems.

    I noticed that the oil pressure light takes around 2 seconds to turn
    off after starting the engine. It never comes on during normal
    operation.
     
    madmanguruman, Jun 11, 2007
    #31
  12. Could it be the oil filter is aftermarket with no (or inadequate)
    antiflowback valve?

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, Jun 12, 2007
    #32
  13. Adam Christopher Lawrence

    jim beam Guest

    what oil are you using?
     
    jim beam, Jun 12, 2007
    #33
  14. what oil are you using?

    5W-30.

    Dunno about the oil filter (will have to take a look).
     
    madmanguruman, Jun 15, 2007
    #34
  15. Adam Christopher Lawrence

    jim beam Guest

    er, ok, what BRAND oil are you using? whatever it is, change to a
    quality reputable brand. when in doubt, i use castrol.

    fresh oil filter helps.
     
    jim beam, Jun 16, 2007
    #35
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