94 Civic LX - Several Oil Leaks!

Discussion in 'Civic' started by Erik B, Feb 3, 2008.

  1. Erik B

    Erik B Guest

    I have a '94 Civic LX sedan with approx 200K on it. I say
    approximately because the speedometer only works about half the time,
    which results in the odometer working only half the time as well.
    Right now it's reading close to 196K, but I think it's closer to
    200K. That's not much of a problem for me, though I will take care of
    it eventually (after new tires, after a new AC condenser, etc.,
    etc.) What needs immediate attention is an oil leak, or, more
    specifically, several leaks. I wouldn't call them full-blown leaks,
    either, because there is very little oil on the floor of my garage.
    It seems to be more like seepage from certain areas. I think they are
    more of what I call "pressure leaks," meaning it's only because of
    driving at high speeds all the time and hard acceleration that the oil
    is forced out of specific areas. The majority of my driving is done
    on the highway, and it seems like I'm dropping about one quart of oil
    every 400-500 miles, which is pretty severe in my opinion. The head
    gasket is in good shape, I don't lose coolant, and there is no oil
    (blue/grey smoke) in the exhaust except under very hard (near red
    line) acceleration. Again, there is very little oil on the floor of
    my garage and if I park at a shop or somebody else's driveway, there
    is never any oil on the ground from my car. This is why I feel the
    leaks are pressure related.

    The first thing I did was replace the oil pan gasket. The last time I
    changed my oil (a week ago) I noticed there was an oily, sandy mix
    that started below the gasket and went down, but nothing above the
    gasket. I figured it could use a good cleaning anyways. That was
    accomplished yesterday. The process was a bit frustrating and took
    several hours, but so far so good.

    This picture, and hopefully you all can view it, shows the next item
    on my to-do list:
    http://www.swoape.org/ejbock/auto/civic/distributor_leak.jpg

    The distributor obviously has a leak, which causes that oily, sandy
    mess to accumulate on other engine parts. From what I've read here,
    this is caused by a worn bearing seal, and if that has failed, the
    bearing itself is probably shot. I will be ordering both parts today
    and will replace them next weekend. My only concern is reinstallation
    of the distributor. One post I read mentioned to be mindful of the
    timing when putting the distributor back on. I've never done
    distributor work on my Civic before, so could somebody elaborate more
    on this process, and more specifically, what to do so I don't jack up
    the timing?

    This next picture shows the underside of my hood:
    http://www.swoape.org/ejbock/auto/civic/hood_oil_spray.jpg
    Here's the area directly below the spray, shot from the side of the
    car:
    http://www.swoape.org/ejbock/auto/civic/hood_oil_spray_source.jpg

    It's like oil is being sprayed up there and I have no idea how it gets
    there because I don't see any oil or anything in that second picture.
    I'm looking for any suggestions here!

    One final item, and I don't know if it's related to the oil leaks or
    not, but I seem to get quite a bit of soot on the bumper above the
    tail pipe. I have to wipe down the bumper once a week because it's a
    white car and the soot shows very easily! Is this another oil problem
    or is it related more to fuel/oxygen and a sensor that might need to
    be replaced?

    Thanks!
     
    Erik B, Feb 3, 2008
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  2. Erik B

    jim beam Guest

    that's not a distributor leak, that's an oil filler cap leak, and you're
    not a honda cap. buy the correct one [new or junkyard] and it won't leak.

    and that's not a bad leak btw.
    looks like power steering pump seal. but it's not serious enough to
    merit stripdown yet. just keep an eye on the fluid level.

    that's not an oil problem, that's a combustion/injection problem.
    judging by general conditions, you could probably benefit from new
    plugs, plug leads and distributor cap. in addition, you /definitely/
    need to fix the speedo problem. most likely a sender unit. without
    that, the injection system goes into default mode and it's probably
    injecting rich. that'll ruin your cat, not just leave smuts on your
    bumper. read the fault code from your ecu and fix accordingly.

    one last thing about oil leaks - the oil you use is important. some
    brands skimp on seal conditioners. i've had good luck with castrol
    keeping leaks under control because it has good conditioners. [but that
    won't compensate for using the wrong filler cap.]
     
    jim beam, Feb 3, 2008
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  3. Erik B

    motsco_ Guest

    Check / replace your PCV. It can allow your oil vapor to be sucked out
    and burnt. Some claim it can start blowing out seals if it plugs up too.

    'Curly'
     
    motsco_, Feb 3, 2008
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  4. Erik B

    Elle Guest

    Concur with Curly about replacing the PCV valve. At a
    minimum, not only might it stop some of this oil leakage, it
    may improve your fuel mileage. An old, worn, possibly
    malfunctioning PCV valve messes up the engine computer. If
    it's sticking shut, then this will overpressurize seals such
    as the oil pan's.

    Concur about distributor seals.

    I would replace the valve cover gasket. Use an OEM gasket
    only. Replace it carefully, since it's easy to get it
    twisted when re-installing the valve cover. Torque down the
    four cap nuts using a low-range torque wrench, available for
    around $20 at Harbor Freight. You will find the spec at the
    free online manuals at Autozone.com or
    http://www.honda.co.uk/car/owner/workshop.html . I think
    it's 7 or 9 ft-lbs. for my 91 Civic. Yours should be the
    same or close to. My best guess for that spray pattern on
    the underside of the hood is leakage from the valve cover
    gasket.

    Have you observed the engine while it is running and felt
    around these places (carefully) for leakage?

    Your Civic also has two sets of "spark plug tube" gaskets.
    One set is easy to change out. The other is more difficult
    and may or may not be do-able by you. I suppose I am an
    "experienced amateur" and I did both with little pain.
    Especially if your spark plug tubes have oil in them, change
    these.

    Not sure about the oil on the bumper near the exhaust, other
    than maybe excess oil is in the cylinders.
     
    Elle, Feb 3, 2008
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