95 Civic Blown Gasket or Cracked Head?

Discussion in 'Civic' started by Doug and Rene Brand, Jun 29, 2007.

  1. I have a 95 Honda Civic that I was having problems with overheating.
    It would push antifreeze out the coolant reservoir until it was out of
    coolant. I ended up replacing the thermostat, water pump, fan temp
    switch, and radiator cap but nothing fixed the problem. I then
    started to suspect a coolant leak in the head gasket. I connected an
    air hose to each cylinder using my compression tester hose. When I put
    air pressure to #4 cylinder @ TDC, the coolant level in the radiator
    would rise and spill out over the top of the radiator.

    My question is, when I tear into the head gasket, how will I know if
    it is the head gasket or a cracked head? Will it show signs on the
    head gasket where it is leaking or will you be able to see a crack in
    the head?

    Also, should I do any other maintanance while I have the head off? The
    car has 137,000 miles.
     
    Doug and Rene Brand, Jun 29, 2007
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  2. I should also mention the compression on all 4 cylinders was 140-145
    psi.
     
    Doug and Rene Brand, Jun 29, 2007
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  3. Doug and Rene Brand

    Tegger Guest



    Then there y'go. That's your smoking gun.


    You cannot know until the head is magnafluxed.

    Chances are just about 100% that it's simply a failed head gasket. As a
    general rule, Honda heads do not crack.



    Replacing the valve guide oil seals would be an excellent idea, if you
    don't mind spending the money.
     
    Tegger, Jun 30, 2007
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  4. Doug and Rene Brand

    jim beam Guest

    hondas _rarely_ crack heads.

    how new is the timing belt? and as tegger says, stem seals are good too.

    if doing this work yourself, DO NOT use abrasives to clean the head or
    the block. that includes scotchbrite. use only a blade to carefully
    clean. it takes time! abrasives, no matter how you try to avoid it,
    accumulate under the rings and quickly ruin compression and dramatically
    increase oil consumption. avoid having the head skimmed too unless it's
    warped. and i bet it's not.

    allow plenty of time - this is an all day job if you're going to do it
    carefully and well.
     
    jim beam, Jun 30, 2007
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  5. The timing belt is brand new. That is one of the things I replaced
    when replacing the water pump.

    I was wondering maybe I should swap out the motor for a lower mileage
    engine or v-tec engine. The compression on this motor seems a little
    low at 140psi compared to other 1.5's with 180-200psi. It doesn't use
    any oil but it does have rod slap when cold outside. I was thinking
    maybe I should swap it out with a JDM import 1.5 VTEC engine with
    40,000-60,000 miles for around $600. Just a head gasket kit will run
    $120-$150, if that is all I need.
     
    Doug and Rene Brand, Jun 30, 2007
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  6. I wouldn't be concerned about the compression since the numbers are
    consistent across the cylinders; it just isn't designed for premium gas. The
    piston slap is more worrisome and is a good reason to think about going JDM.
    But just to be sure: it is piston slap (quiets down in about five minutes)
    rather than an exhaust leak (quiets down in about one minute)? If so, JDM
    sounds attractive in your situation.

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, Jun 30, 2007
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  7. Doug and Rene Brand

    jim beam Guest

    doesn't make a lot of difference at operating speeds. compressions on
    both my civic and crx are "low", but they both run great, the civic
    particularly.
    it's piston slap. it's not necessarily a problem. my 2000 civic did it
    from about 20k and that thing was babied.
    good question. personally, i lean towards replacement. changing the
    gasket, and doing a good job of it, is long hard work. shops do it
    because the long labor hours are profitable. and they routinely use
    abrasives. and they routinely skim heads. and they shrug off the
    subsequent failures with a "don't blame me, the engine was already shot"
    attitude that is as ignorant as it is annoying.

    unless i had a special reason to preserve a particular engine, or had a
    lot more time and no money, i would replace the motor. these low
    mileage jdm motors are cheap and work just great. a whole motor swap
    takes a good deal less time than the head prep.

    your problem with the vtec conversion is wiring in the vtec solenoid.
    if you don't already have that motor, you'll need to upgrade the ecu and
    engine electrics accordingly. it's non-trivial doing that. it's not
    hard, and there's plenty of resources on the subject [checkout
    boomslang.com] but it's still non-trivial. done right, it's worth the
    effort though.

    good luck.
     
    jim beam, Jun 30, 2007
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  8. The engine I have now is a D15B7 1.5 liter 16 valve. What will the
    milaage difference be between a JDM 1.5 VTEC versus what I have?

    http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2011708
    do with this type of engine swap is to bypass the VTEC oil pressure
    switch. Is that true or do I need to get a VTEC ECU brain box?

    Also, what is OBD1 and OBD2?
     
    Doug and Rene Brand, Jun 30, 2007
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  9. The engine I have now is a D15B7 1.5 liter 16 valve SOHC. What will
    the mileage difference be between a JDM 1.5 VTEC versus what I have?

    http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2011708
    do with this type of engine swap is to bypass the VTEC oil pressure
    switch. Is that true or do I need to get a VTEC ECU brain box?

    Also, what is OBD1 and OBD2?

    And what is the difference between a 1.5 VTEC-E economy and a 1.5
    VTEC?
     
    Doug and Rene Brand, Jun 30, 2007
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  10. Doug and Rene Brand

    jim beam Guest

    that's wrong - do /not/ "bypass" the pressure switch. you have two sets
    of cam lobes - one for high revs, one for low. if you don't switch the
    cams, you'll be stuck on one or the other, with sucky performance at one
    end of the range, depending on how you're switched.

    ideally, you need the vtec ecu - it has a higher red line than the
    non-vtec as well as the right switchover programming. but if you don't
    use one, you can also use a rev sensitive switch to handle the cam for
    you. google this group as the same question came up a few weeks ago.
    you have obd1. stick with it.
     
    jim beam, Jun 30, 2007
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  11. What is the best way to find an ECU for a D15B VTEC or D15Z1 VTEC-E?
    The P28 and P72 ECU's state they are for a 1.6 liter VTEC engine. Are
    the JDM 1.5 liter VTEC's actually USDM 1.6 liter VTEC engines?

    This is getting more confusing.
     
    Doug and Rene Brand, Jun 30, 2007
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  12. Doug and Rene Brand

    jim beam Guest

    the no-worry road is to just do a straight replacement. plug and play.
    and it's going to be better than what you have now.

    if you swap for vtec, for ecu's, you'll probably need a u.s. version
    rather than jdm to pass smog. you can get them from junk yards
    occasionally, by far the cheapest way to go! but generally not since
    all the "2-ner" crowd mean they get picked clean pretty much
    immediately. in that case, you'll be looking at ebay or craigslist and
    paying a lot more.

    regarding d15z1 vs. d16z6, it depends on whether you want performance or
    economy. iirc, the d15z1 is the economy motor. either way, you
    probably need the correct ecu to get the right injection map.
     
    jim beam, Jun 30, 2007
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  13. Doug and Rene Brand

    Jim Yanik Guest

    the ECU needs the right programming for VTEC.
    OBD2 had a lot more sensors to more accurately pinpoint problems.
    Like 2 O2 sensors
    different cam profiles. VTEC-E is optimized for economy,not power.
     
    Jim Yanik, Jul 1, 2007
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