95 Civic has no O2 sensor!

Discussion in 'Civic' started by emil.santos, Sep 11, 2006.

  1. emil.santos

    emil.santos Guest

    Hello,

    My 95 Civic ESi (Philippine domestic version) is a "stripped-down"
    version of the U.S. EX model, I think. It has a 'PH16' engine (PGM-FI,
    16Valve, 1.6Li, SOHC
    non-vtec, ECU code P27) but has no oxygen sensor and no cat converter.
    This is common knowledge here, and there is a plug where the sensor
    should be. My
    question is, is this a great disadvantage in terms of mileage? Average
    mileage for civics here is 18 to 24 MPG (~8-10km/liter).

    Is the ECU always running in open loop mode? Can we somehow buy an O2
    sensor and put it in, and if so, will this buy us much MPG-wise?

    Thanks so much in advance.
     
    emil.santos, Sep 11, 2006
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  2. emil.santos

    TeGGeR® Guest

    wrote in @b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:


    Would it save you enough to pay for the cost of converting the rest of
    your engine management system? Probably not. I can pretty much guarantee
    you your ECU does not have the capability of using O2 sensor signals,
    and you're surely missing other devices used in conjunction with the
    oxygen sensor.

    On road-going cars, the primary purpose of O2 sensors and their
    associated hardware/software is emissions, not mileage. Any mileage
    increase you see (if any), would be a bonus, and would be a side-effect.
    Some race cars use oxygen sensors to improve mileage during a race, but
    these are using ECUs programmed for mileage. Stock ECUs are programmed
    for emissions.

    And yes, any car without a feedback system (like yours; like a 1970
    Honda 600) is running in what we now call "open loop" mode. "Closed
    loop" is the other term used to describe "feedback system". Even cars
    with oxygen sensors operate in open loop at times.
     
    TeGGeR®, Sep 12, 2006
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