Thanks for the gen info. So the CRV was made to compete with the Rav4 i guess. I have test drove a CRV and i didn't like it. It was (weirdly) too roomy for me and it felt like a Van. I need to test drive a gen1 rav4 coz the dealer was trying to sell me a gen2 which is out of my budget. BTW whats the insurance rate difference with the toyota mini-suv to other nonsuv cars? somebody told me its gonna be 0 more every six months here in NJ.