Accord 2008 and fuel octane

Thanks - that's it in a nutshell.

 

But MacFarty's wonky struts are inherently wonky. Look at what Honda did with
the Civic when they went to "MacFarty struts"... they had to mount the
steering rack about four feet off the ground, with frickin' Ford Twin
I-Beams for tie rods, to try and get rid of the inherent 'bump steer' of
Mr. MacFarty's wonky design.



- Robbie Coltrane holding a large machine hammer,
in 'Planes and Automobiles'

"This is an Edinburgh spanner"

 

but they don't /want/ to know about the reasoning - they just want to
watch ricer videos on the net.

 

yeah, they built a TypeR that can outhandle a S2000.

we can debate betamax vs VHS next; same theory/practice argument.

 

drifting is not handling big guy - there's limited tire adhesion, so the
problems of geometry are lost in the overall slippage. that's why you
have macpherson on rally cars and wishbone on [successful] circuit cars
- one slides, the other doesn't.

 

the link at Edmunds is to a 3-lap race at a road course in Japan.
some drifting by the S2000, not entirely intentional
try it, you'll rice it.
[there's more to the story as there were other "heats" taken by a
lightly modified S2000]

- there's limited tire adhesion, so the

I'm not disputing the theoretical superiority of double A-arm
suspensions for the pavement. (As you know, part of the beauty of this
design is the flexibility to engineer in (or out) the handling/
response desired.)
I'm disputing the blanket assertion that all double A-arm suspensions
are better than all MacPherson struts suspensions. The last Accord we
bought is a competent handling car but nothing more.

 

unless there's a fundamental oversight by the designer, they are though.
macpherson simply cannot get around the geometry problems that
wishbones can.

again, what is the tire width? compare like with like. camry has a
wider stock tire width than accord. drives great in a straight line and
on moderate curves. but despite the compensation of the wider tire, it
can't hang with the accord in the twisties.

 

a double A-arm suspension can't be crappy?
really?

double A-arm suspensions certainly can be well designed.
and some aren't.

one might argue that designers include tire considerations when
designing suspensions so comparing like with like is to keep OEM
sizes, not forcing a single size onto the cars.

camry?
who picked that as the standard bearer for strut suspension design?

what else ya got?

 

buy a book and read it. right now, you're just trolling.

 

LOL, this NG is priceless! :-D

 

And that's all due to the struts? I doubt it.

 

BMW (as someone posted)
Porsche (as I posted)
....

 

I just finished "Sandworms of Dune" and they didn't address front
suspension at all???

 

i'm sorry, is this a matter of faith? does faith leave room for doubt?

 

i think you and acar should keep rubbing the baby oil on each other's
pistons - you're evidently very happy doing that together.

 

jim beam wrote:

Um, not my thing, but thanks anyway for the idea.

 

Heh...awesome.

Peace,
Polfus

 

Yeah..I checked "The Shining" and Jack never said anything about his
Volkswagon...

I'm gonna get "War And Peace" and check that out next...

Peace,
Polfus

 

I have left over baby oil and can't get a whole jug of it on my
"piston"...is this a design flaw?

Aaaarggg...he inhumanity of it all...

Peace,
Polfus

 

LOL - great post on which to end the thread.