[QUOTE="marcel"] in europe all the us cars are known for 4 things: - they are big - they handle like a ship at sea - their badly fuel economy - they are badly put together (rattles) marcel the netherlands driving a '99 honda civic 1.5 vtec-e (last E stands for economic which means 17 km/litre or aprox 40 mls/gallon)[/QUOTE] My biggest complaint (I don't argue with your points) is that many of them are built to hold up for 3 years - after that, it isn't a warranty issue. I personally have known 2 people who bought mid-90s Ford Escorts in which the engine was destroyed by water pump failure (caused the timing belt to fail) after the warranty expired and before the car was paid for. Aargh! Mike