Accord - N0 Fuel-No Start

Discussion in 'Accord' started by twodotmike, Dec 16, 2006.

  1. twodotmike

    twodotmike Guest

    Trying to help a neighbor.
    1988 Accord LX
    No start, NO FUEL, does have spark and engine cranks over at normal
    speed...
    We have checked both fuel filters and they seem serviceable, but no
    fuel comes out of the fuel line at the inlet or oultet side of either
    filter position. When ignition key is turned to the "ON" position we
    can hear the fuel pump run for 1-2 seconds and then cut off, but no
    fuel comes out of the fuel line. Also, when the engine is cranked over
    no fuel comes out of the fuel line.
    I read on-line that there is a problem on some Hondas with the PGM-FI
    relay. Where is this PGM-FI relay located on a 1988 Accord LX? When
    the fuel pump is on during the initial 1-2 seconds and also when the
    engine is cranked over shouldn’t we get fuel out of the fuel lines?
    I’m not sure why we can hear the pump run for the 1-2 second initial
    time frame, but not get fuel. Even though we can hear the pump run for
    that 1-2 second interval could the pump still be the main suspected
    bad part? Thank you in advance for any suggestions.
     
    twodotmike, Dec 16, 2006
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  2. twodotmike

    jim beam Guest

    is this injected or carburetted?

    if this an injected 88 and the main relay's never been replaced before,
    suggest taking it out and inspecting carefully with a magnifier. go to
    tegger.com and read the faq's on how to fix it. you're right, hearing
    the pump work is usually the tell-tale for the relay, but not always -
    sometimes the injector ground circuit fails, not the fuel pump circuit.
    check the ecu and see if you have any codes. on that age civics, it
    sets a code 16 if the relay's playing up.
     
    jim beam, Dec 16, 2006
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  3. twodotmike

    twodotmike Guest

    Thank you, Jim, for your response. I appreciate your input
     
    twodotmike, Dec 17, 2006
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  4. twodotmike

    rjdriver Guest


    The fuel cut off relay is located in the under dash fuse box to the left of
    the steering column.


    Bob
     
    rjdriver, Dec 17, 2006
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  5. twodotmike

    Jim Yanik Guest

    And as long as you have the MR out and disassembled,go ahead and resolder
    it so you will not have to do it at some later date.

    www.tegger.com has info on this.
     
    Jim Yanik, Dec 17, 2006
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  6. twodotmike

    twodotmike Guest

    Thank you, Bob,

    Some time this week when I can get with my neighbor we’ll try to check
    it out. I appreciate the relay location info as it will save me time
    trying to find it! He doesn’t have any repair manuals for the car so
    we’re going at this ’blind’. I am thinking of going to my local
    library to see if I might find some more info there. Again, THANK YO
     
    twodotmike, Dec 17, 2006
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  7. twodotmike

    Tegger Guest



    If you hear the pump run, then the relay is fine, whether it's PGM-CARB or
    PGM-FI.

    If the pump definitely runs but no fuel comes out of the lines at the
    filter, then you have either a blocked line or the pickup has fallen off
    inside the tank.

    When did this start, and how?
     
    Tegger, Dec 19, 2006
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  8. twodotmike

    twodotmike Guest

    Tegger,
    As an update, I believe the car is carbureted, not FI.
    My neighbor says it just happened...he was out of town for the weekend
    (the car was parked in front of his house) and when he went to start
    it last Monday mornig - nothing.
    As for the pump running - should we have 12 volts at the pump
    connector both during the 1-2 second initial pressure build up and
    when we crank the engine over? A full 12 volts each time or will the
    supply power be reduced for any reason at any time? Also, is this 1-2
    second running of the pump just to build up pressure within the pump
    itself or should we be getting fuel flow out of the fuel line at this
    time?
    Sorry to sound disjointed on this, but as we work different hours we
    don’t see each other every day and when I did look at the problem late
    last Friday I didn’t give the type of fuel system any thought, I just
    assumed (I know, I know) in that year it would have been FI, but after
    looking at the fuel filter by the left rear wheel (typical old
    fashioned style fuel filter) I believe it is a carbureted fuel system.
    When I can next get under the hood, of course I’m checking!
    I was reading on-line about testing the fuel pump pressure and output
    and when I next get the chance I’m going to jumper the relay sockets
    and see what happens with the pump.
    Thank you for the input about the pick up line. I wasn’t sure if just
    because we heard the pump run it was okay internally. At the price of
    a fuel pump I didn’t want to tell my neighbor that it was bad until we
    could do a little more troubleshooting
     
    twodotmike, Dec 19, 2006
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  9. twodotmike

    Tegger Guest



    If the pump is running, you will have fuel flow. If the pump is not
    running, there will be no fuel flow. An FI system will maintain pressure
    when shut off. A carbed system will allow the pressure to bleed off to the
    tank through the return line.

    You'd better check and see if this thing has a carb.
     
    Tegger, Dec 20, 2006
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    rjdriver Guest

    If I am remembering the Accord model designations from back then
    correctly, unless there is a letter "i" after the LX, it has a carburetor.


    Bob
     
    rjdriver, Dec 21, 2006
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