[QUOTE="jim beam"] what part of "civic" confuses you with "odyssey"?[/QUOTE] You in previous post: "exhaust gas used to be recirculated, but that's been dropped these days" My link shows replacement EGR valves for Honda Accords, Odysseys, and Civics. Which you claim they don't use. Hey, maybe it's a scam? [QUOTE] what part of "the ecu can/does go rich on wot" is confusing you? and you don't run the engine like that all the time, so i say again, it won't smog at that level. sheesh.[/QUOTE] You: " and in racing cars, fuel was dumped to cool piston crowns on throttle close, but excess fule in the combustion chamber with throttle open? no." So, fuel rich allowed on WOT, yes or no? First time you said "no". Now you say "can/does go rich on wot". You are correct the second time. Or was the first claim only about racing cars (and "fule")?