Acura Cruise Control Problem-- Need help!

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Todd Caddel, Jul 20, 2004.

  1. Todd Caddel

    Todd Caddel Guest

    I have a 90 Acura Integra and the cruise stopped working all of a
    sudden. It will not "set." Using the wiring diagrams, I have checked
    all of the wiring to the cruise control unit and they all look OK.
    There are 2 inputs that I do not know how to test and was wondering if
    anybody had any info. The "blue wire from the ignition control module
    had ~14 volts coming to the cruise unit while the engine was running
    and did not seam to change as the RPMs changed. The orange wire from
    the speed sensor had 2.1 volts and also did not change with vehicle
    speed, although it did drop to zero when stopped. Any ideas how to
    test these 2 inputs? Or is it time to get a new cruise control module?
    Thanks,
    Todd
     
    Todd Caddel, Jul 20, 2004
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  2. Todd Caddel

    motsco_ _ Guest

    +++++++++++++++

    First and easiest place to check is the brake switch, since it's one of
    only three or four 'moving' parts. If the unit is turned ON, at the dash
    switch, but thinks you've got your toe sitting on the pedal, pushing the
    steering wheel cruise button won't set the speed.

    'Curly'
     
    motsco_ _, Jul 20, 2004
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  3. Todd Caddel

    Randolph Guest

    I agree with Curly about the brake pedal switch. To elaborate, the
    switch is usually the same as the one for the brake lights, but there
    are two sets of contacts in it. It is possible for set of contacts for
    the brake lights to work while the set for the cruise does not work.
    Also, if your car is a stick shift there is another switch at the clutch
    pedal that could be faulty as well. The clutch pedal switch could also
    just be out of alignment (if the brake pedal switch was out of alignment
    your brake lights would likely be on all the time).

    Testing the VSS signal is simple. Measure the voltage while slowly
    pushing the car forwards or backwards. You could jack one front corner
    of the car and rotate the front wheel with the car in gear also. You
    should see the voltage alternate between some voltage (5V on my car) and
    close to 0 Volts as you move the car (or rotate the wheel).
     
    Randolph, Jul 20, 2004
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  4. Todd Caddel

    Todd Guest

    I checked the brake switch and it seems to be working properly.
    According to this web page
    http://www.hondahookup.com/manuals/Wiring%20diagrams.pdf
    it is a DPDT switch in which only one leg has power at a time which is
    what it is doing. The clutch switch does not have any power coming to
    it. I thought it might get energized when the cruise is set; which it
    is not doing. I will check the speed sensor. Any idea on the blue wire
    from the tach? TIA
     
    Todd, Jul 20, 2004
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    Seth Guest

    I don't know as I've never measured the clutch switch, but it could be a
    ground system instead of 12v. Try using a multimeter with red to constant
    12V and the negative probe to the switch. See if the meter reads/doesn't
    read 12v depending on the switch position )or use the meter in continuity
    mode substituting a good/known ground for the 12V mentioned above).

    As for the Tach wire. If it is the same as reading Tach directly from the
    coil, put your red probe on 12V constant, set the meter for AC voltage and
    probe the tach wire with the black probe. If it is a Tach wire the meter
    will then read some multiple of near true RPMs.
     
    Seth, Jul 21, 2004
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  6. Todd Caddel

    TomP Guest

    Todd,
    Does the indicator light in the cruise control main switch come on?
    What happens when you depress the "set" button? If the cruise
    indicator in the gage assembly comes on (even for a fraction of a second),
    the problem is most likely in the cruise actuator or actuator wiring.



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    TomP, Jul 24, 2004
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  7. Todd Caddel

    Todd Caddel Guest

    The Main switch is ON and the LED is ON. The indicator light never
    comes on at all; not even for a fraction of a second. When I press the
    "set" or "resume" buttons, I do get voltage coming to the correct
    terminal on the cruise control unit. I checked all of the continuity
    between the actuator wiring and the control unit. All looked good. Any
    other ideas?
    Thanks,
    Todd
     
    Todd Caddel, Jul 27, 2004
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  8. Well I finally figured it out, and your not going to belive it. After
    all of the checking of wiring, voltages, switch continuities etc. it
    turns out that the clutch switch was not engageing. The "plate" on
    the clutch pedal itself that activates the switch had a hole in it.
    The pin switch button went right through the hole. BTW, this thing is
    sheilded from view by the bracket that holds the switch, so it was
    impossible to see. There was probably some kind of plastic "something
    or another" that went into the hole and activated the switch. I ended
    up putting a small bolt and nut in the hole and covering the bolt head
    with a piece of foam tape for padding. Works great now. Now here is
    the funny part. I really thought it was the Cruise Control Module so I
    bought one off of Ebay for $20. Just as I was buttoning the project
    up, the FedEx truck shows up with the new module :) Go Figure.
    Thanks for all the help.
    Todd
     
    Richard Caddel, Jul 27, 2004
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  9. Todd Caddel

    Randolph Guest

    You obviously know your way around a circuit diagram. Have you tried
    measuring the voltages on the wires from the clutch and brake pedal
    switches (measured at the control unit)? Ignition on, cruise control
    unit plugged in and cruise control master switch on. There should be one
    wire for the clutch and two for the brake. I believe (but am not
    certain) that you should measure battery voltage on the wire from the
    clutch pedal switch when you are not touching the pedal, and 0V when you
    are stepping on the clutch. Both voltages referred to body ground.

    For the wires from the brake pedal, one should carry battery voltage
    while the other is not. Stepping on the brakes should reverse this.

    If you try measuring the voltage on the wire from the clutch pedal
    switch, the control unit needs to be plugged in and turned on. If this
    is a pain, you can measure continuity to ground on that wire at the
    control module end of the wiring harness, with the module unplugged.
    There should be continuity to ground when, and only when, you are not
    stepping on the clutch.
     
    Randolph, Jul 28, 2004
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