Advice on replacing 94-97 Accord muffler? Dealing with rubber hangers?

you know, when you first said "bosal" and "cheaper", i was completely
under the impression that you were /not/ talking about $600 of custom
stainless. clearly i was mistaken!

don't choke on your bullshit there dude - you'll need it for your rose
garden.

 

No, you are mistaken in that I never said "bosal", or "cheaper". That
was the original poster, not me.

I know it is probably hard to keep track of which person you insult and
what you are insulting them for, but please try harder.
It is hard for you to look very clever when you are wrong, especially
while trying so hard.

You should do stand-up comedy, that is really, really funny.

Seriously......That is as much as you are going to get out of me unless
you post some more completely erroneous information about what I did or
did not say.

Again, have a nice day, Mr. Beam,

Pat

 

No, you are mistaken in that I never said "bosal", or "cheaper". That
was the original poster, not me.

I know it is probably hard to keep track of which person you insult and
what you are insulting them for, but please try harder.
It is hard for you to look very clever when you are wrong, especially
while trying so hard.

You should do stand-up comedy, that is really, really funny.

Seriously......That is as much as you are going to get out of me unless
you post some more completely erroneous information about what I did or
did not say.

Again, have a nice day, Mr. Beam,

Pat

 

then /you/ need to go back and read /my/ original post - you know, the
one you've carefully snipped.

see above, big guy.

 

then /you/ need to go back and read /my/ original post - you know, the
one you've carefully snipped.

see above, big guy.

 

http://blogs.technet.com/photos/gray_knowlton/images/2998979/original.aspx

 

http://blogs.technet.com/photos/gray_knowlton/images/2998979/original.aspx

 

Ten years is an excellent lifespan, especialy for a muffler that has had
the treatment yours did.

My personal (and fairly extensive) experience with aftermarket has never
yielded more than two years without additional problems arising. But then I
had been looking for /cheaper/ alternatives to OEM. Which turned out to be
very cheap indeed.

Were they more expensive than OEM?

 

Ten years is an excellent lifespan, especialy for a muffler that has had
the treatment yours did.

My personal (and fairly extensive) experience with aftermarket has never
yielded more than two years without additional problems arising. But then I
had been looking for /cheaper/ alternatives to OEM. Which turned out to be
very cheap indeed.

Were they more expensive than OEM?

 

that's strange - your wife doesn't talk to /me/ like that.

 

that's strange - your wife doesn't talk to /me/ like that.

 

oooh, are we /allowed/ to do this "reality check" stuff around here? i
thought this game was just for people to have fun talking through their ass.

 

oooh, are we /allowed/ to do this "reality check" stuff around here? i
thought this game was just for people to have fun talking through their ass.

 

The aftermarket, non-stainless muffler I have on now has been there for
5 years and it is still in good condition. It has also been used pretty
hard, lots of short trips.
If it goes out really fast, lesson learned. If it makes it even 3 more
years, then it was a lot better value than going with a factory one, in
my personal experience, which is not terribly extensive, but does cover
24 years and about 8 cars.

I do fully see your point, Tegger. Thanks for at least being polite. I
just filtered "Mr. Beam", as I quit playing the "let's fight on the
internet game" with lightweights like him a long time ago.

Life is too short to waste too many keystrokes on people like him. With
no life, he will attempt to win through pure endurance, and he WILL get
the last word in, just watch.
Everybody is big and badass in front of their computer, I learned that a
while back.

With you, however, I will be back for advice on this Accord, whether we
agree on OEM mufflers as the best option or not.

Pat

 

The aftermarket, non-stainless muffler I have on now has been there for
5 years and it is still in good condition. It has also been used pretty
hard, lots of short trips.
If it goes out really fast, lesson learned. If it makes it even 3 more
years, then it was a lot better value than going with a factory one, in
my personal experience, which is not terribly extensive, but does cover
24 years and about 8 cars.

I do fully see your point, Tegger. Thanks for at least being polite. I
just filtered "Mr. Beam", as I quit playing the "let's fight on the
internet game" with lightweights like him a long time ago.

Life is too short to waste too many keystrokes on people like him. With
no life, he will attempt to win through pure endurance, and he WILL get
the last word in, just watch.
Everybody is big and badass in front of their computer, I learned that a
while back.

With you, however, I will be back for advice on this Accord, whether we
agree on OEM mufflers as the best option or not.

Pat

 

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Muffler warranty: When I replaced mine (years ago) I was told that the
Warranty applied to the part only. The dealer would still charge for
installation if the replacement part failed. So naturally, I bought
the Honda part and took it to my independent shop where I had it
installed for half the price. Muffler warranty still valid. Car was
wrecked before second muffler wore out. Of course, Honda does not
offer a warranty on pipes which typically give out long before
mufflers. Depending on the car it is possible to find higher quality
pipes and exhaust systems than OEM; even Honda OEM.

OEM exhaust system in my 1999 Accord is still OK even after spending
time in Syracuse, NY and Chicago.

fyi: the stainless steel exhaust system (cat included) in my 1998
Sienna required zero work in the 12 years and 235K miles I owned the
car. then again, I live in the Baltimore area where road salt isn't an
everyday occurrence 5 months of the year.

 

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Muffler warranty: When I replaced mine (years ago) I was told that the
Warranty applied to the part only. The dealer would still charge for
installation if the replacement part failed. So naturally, I bought
the Honda part and took it to my independent shop where I had it
installed for half the price. Muffler warranty still valid. Car was
wrecked before second muffler wore out. Of course, Honda does not
offer a warranty on pipes which typically give out long before
mufflers. Depending on the car it is possible to find higher quality
pipes and exhaust systems than OEM; even Honda OEM.

OEM exhaust system in my 1999 Accord is still OK even after spending
time in Syracuse, NY and Chicago.

fyi: the stainless steel exhaust system (cat included) in my 1998
Sienna required zero work in the 12 years and 235K miles I owned the
car. then again, I live in the Baltimore area where road salt isn't an
everyday occurrence 5 months of the year.

 

It might have to do with your geographical location. I'm located in the
very heart of the north-eastern Rust Belt, where the climate is horribly
abusive of anything made of steel, especially when the moisture is
regularly combined with road salt.

If you're in an area whose climate is kinder to steels, your mufflers would
last longer, period.

One thing I can't quite understand is why Honda does not simply change to
semi-stainless steels. Toyota has been making their entire exhaust systems
from that for at least 12 years now. Our '99 Tercel (yes there was such a
beast) still has its original muffler, and it's just like new. No rust
anywhere, even in the weld seams.

But then Honda also still uses rustable steels for their brake caliper
pistons, whereas Toyota makes those out of stainless as well.

 

It might have to do with your geographical location. I'm located in the
very heart of the north-eastern Rust Belt, where the climate is horribly
abusive of anything made of steel, especially when the moisture is
regularly combined with road salt.

If you're in an area whose climate is kinder to steels, your mufflers would
last longer, period.

One thing I can't quite understand is why Honda does not simply change to
semi-stainless steels. Toyota has been making their entire exhaust systems
from that for at least 12 years now. Our '99 Tercel (yes there was such a
beast) still has its original muffler, and it's just like new. No rust
anywhere, even in the weld seams.

But then Honda also still uses rustable steels for their brake caliper
pistons, whereas Toyota makes those out of stainless as well.

 

Central Texas? That makes sense.

We get ice on the roads here about once every 3 or 4 years, and then
they drop sand instead of salt, so the two mufflers have probably never
encountered salt at all.
This Accord was my grandma's car, I don't think it even made a trip to
the coast. I have owned it for about a month now.

I had the top down on my non-Honda vehicle yesterday, I think it reached
70 degrees, but I will pay for it starting in June when the heat wave
begins again.

I didn't know that, buy come to think of it, I don't remember the
exhaust ever receiving repairs on my parent's '94 Toyota Camry with
173,000 miles.
I just replaced the neutral safety switch and the harmonic balancer on
that car, and brakes are next, but the exhaust looks good.

Thanks Tegger,

Pat