All the oil ran out of my new 2007 CR-V !!

Chuck

 

Yeah, what he said. And if you don't get satisfaction on at least a new
engine, contact your local Attorney General's consumer protection office. I
don't know how things are out there, but here in Kansas they're pretty
proactive at pursuing such things.

 

Yeah, what he said. And if you don't get satisfaction on at least a new
engine, contact your local Attorney General's consumer protection office. I
don't know how things are out there, but here in Kansas they're pretty
proactive at pursuing such things.

 

I have not yet heard back from the dealer, about their intended resolution.
I am now driving a rental, which they are paying for. If the dealer offers
to install a new engine, I am wondering if I should accept it... It seems
pretty complicated to me to replace the whole engine, with all of its many
interconnections, and do it as well as the engine in a new car.

Thoughts on whether I could trust a dealer to do this right?

Chuck

 

I have not yet heard back from the dealer, about their intended resolution.
I am now driving a rental, which they are paying for. If the dealer offers
to install a new engine, I am wondering if I should accept it... It seems
pretty complicated to me to replace the whole engine, with all of its many
interconnections, and do it as well as the engine in a new car.

Thoughts on whether I could trust a dealer to do this right?

Chuck

 

I'm curious. Did they indicate the cause of the crank seal failure.
I've never heard of one failing catastrophically like you describe.

Frank

 

Go after a new car; right now your Dealer should be your advocate since any
major decision will come from Honda (since it was their new car that
experienced a mechanical failure). The Dealer will get paid to do whatever
Honda recommends so I don't think that he would be worried about his costs .
If Honda will not replace the car ( fall over in surprise if they do) then
I think that you will be doing well if you're offered a new engine. That
should be the minimum offer, I just wouldn't want the one that's in there
now. Inspection and replacement of some components may not get all the
potential areas of trouble. I'd be concerned too about all the teardown and
reassembly involved in a replacement but it's doable and much of the same
teardown occurs if they were just inspecting/replacing the innards of the
engine. Keep us updated as this is will be a good insight as to how that
Dealer and Honda will respond.
MLD

 

Go after a new car; right now your Dealer should be your advocate since any
major decision will come from Honda (since it was their new car that
experienced a mechanical failure). The Dealer will get paid to do whatever
Honda recommends so I don't think that he would be worried about his costs .
If Honda will not replace the car ( fall over in surprise if they do) then
I think that you will be doing well if you're offered a new engine. That
should be the minimum offer, I just wouldn't want the one that's in there
now. Inspection and replacement of some components may not get all the
potential areas of trouble. I'd be concerned too about all the teardown and
reassembly involved in a replacement but it's doable and much of the same
teardown occurs if they were just inspecting/replacing the innards of the
engine. Keep us updated as this is will be a good insight as to how that
Dealer and Honda will respond.
MLD

 

Any part can fail. Honda engines aren't perfect, they just have a lower
failure rate than some of the competition. I would be interested to see if
this fellow gets a new car or even a new engine. I am thinking maybe they
drop the pan, plastigage some bearings, take a compression test, and tell
him all is well. Then it is up to him to keep track of oil consumption to
see it anything has really been damaged.

Earle

 

They did not tell me why the seal failed. I suspect that they don't know.
It was just blown, with oil pouring out of it.

Chuck

 

Chuck,
I wonder why you think you are entitled to a new engine let alone a new car?
I believe that you should make your decision based on what the dealer finds
with your present car. If it was a manufacturing defect or a construction
mistake, then I would agree that you should be entitled to a new engine. If
it turns out that your problem resulted from damage caused by a road hazard,
such as a hole in the oil pan or something striking the filter and
dislodging it then the situation is completely different. To illustrate; if
you bought a new battery for your car, and during installation you dropped
the battery and knocked a hole in it, would you expect a replacement under
warranty? I don't think so. Furthermore, you exacerbated the situation by
continuing to drive the vehicle after the idiot light illuminated. If they
really wish to do so, Honda can argue that you are responsible, at least in
part, for damage to the engine. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that I
agree with that position, rather I am simply pointing out to you what may
come down the pike. I would prepare myself for all contingencies and have
arguments to counter them. As far as accepting a new engine, definitely! A
new engine, installed by the dealership, should carry the same warranty as
the original engine. In any case, good luck and I hope this all works out
for the best for you.

DaveD

 

Chuck,
I wonder why you think you are entitled to a new engine let alone a new car?
I believe that you should make your decision based on what the dealer finds
with your present car. If it was a manufacturing defect or a construction
mistake, then I would agree that you should be entitled to a new engine. If
it turns out that your problem resulted from damage caused by a road hazard,
such as a hole in the oil pan or something striking the filter and
dislodging it then the situation is completely different. To illustrate; if
you bought a new battery for your car, and during installation you dropped
the battery and knocked a hole in it, would you expect a replacement under
warranty? I don't think so. Furthermore, you exacerbated the situation by
continuing to drive the vehicle after the idiot light illuminated. If they
really wish to do so, Honda can argue that you are responsible, at least in
part, for damage to the engine. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that I
agree with that position, rather I am simply pointing out to you what may
come down the pike. I would prepare myself for all contingencies and have
arguments to counter them. As far as accepting a new engine, definitely! A
new engine, installed by the dealership, should carry the same warranty as
the original engine. In any case, good luck and I hope this all works out
for the best for you.

DaveD

 

I think they will repair it. My experience with a 99 Accord 5 spd with
problem with 5th grinding on a shift at 600 miles was that Honda would not
replace the transmission -- in fact stalled me for well over 6 weeks until I
just gave up and had the dealer fix the transmission. They found it had
been incorrectly assembled at factory. A lot depends on your State laws --
and your willingness to hire legal assistance.

 

I think they will repair it. My experience with a 99 Accord 5 spd with
problem with 5th grinding on a shift at 600 miles was that Honda would not
replace the transmission -- in fact stalled me for well over 6 weeks until I
just gave up and had the dealer fix the transmission. They found it had
been incorrectly assembled at factory. A lot depends on your State laws --
and your willingness to hire legal assistance.

 

Wow! Already engine trouble on brand new cars??? Wow! Way too early.

I bet that Hyundai dealer will exchange with a new car.

 

Wow! Already engine trouble on brand new cars??? Wow! Way too early.

I bet that Hyundai dealer will exchange with a new car.

 

He should get new engine if not get a new car even if the fault is on
the driver.
If this happens to Hyundai, with Hyundai aggressive service will
replace new engine based on Hyundia's 5 years or 100,000 miles
guarantee.

 

He should get new engine if not get a new car even if the fault is on
the driver.
If this happens to Hyundai, with Hyundai aggressive service will
replace new engine based on Hyundia's 5 years or 100,000 miles
guarantee.

 

Based on the fact that I drove the car for 4-5 days, with the engine dry
(or nearly dry) of oil, I am asking Honda for a new car or factory-new
engine. Here is the letter I just faxed to the dealer....

+++++++++++++++++++++

Notes about 2007 CR-V Oil Loss
December 12, 2006
Chuck Connell, 781-939-0505
Car purchased from Herb Chambers Honda

Driving home from work last night, about 2-3 miles from home, I thought I
saw a light flicker on the dashboard. I looked, but saw nothing. I
continued to drive. I saw another flicker, looked again, and just saw the
oil light go out. I continued to drive. The light came on again, and then
went off. I was now about one mile from home. I continued home, and checked
the dip stick as soon as I got there. It was hard to read in the dark, and
I had just stopped the engine, but it appeared low. I added a quart of oil.

I drove my daughter to dance class (5 miles total) without the oil light
coming on. I checked the dipstick when I got home anyway. It appeared low,
so I added another quart of oil and parked the car for the night.

This morning, I checked the dipstick. The oil was completely off the stick,
or perhaps just a drop at the bottom. I added two quarts, bringing the oil
level up to full (2nd hole in the stick). The crankcase had been down four
quarts of oil. I drove directly to the dealer, about 6 miles.

Looking back, the leak started at least 5 days earlier.

- There are two large oil spots in my driveway. One where the CRV
was parked, and another at the entrance to the driveway. I saw both of
these over the previous weekend, but did not imagine they were from my new
car. The first one, I assumed was from my 10-year-old Saturn which had a
large transmission leak a few months ago. The second one, I assumed was
from another car that had visited our house or turned around in the
driveway. The driveway is black and old, so it is not obvious when a new
oil spot appears.

- There are two oil spots at my office parking lot, where I parked
my CRV the previous week. I remember where I parked because I had backed my
car in there, so that a glass company could easily fix the front
windshield, which had been cracked by a stone.

I now realize that the engine was dry of oil for 4-5 days, or more. When I
started the car those mornings, it started slowly, as if the battery were
low. I thought, at the time, that this seemed strange. Why would a new
battery be sluggish? But the car started, and ran fine, so I dismissed it.
I now understand that the reason the battery seemed weak is because the
engine was dry and not lubricated. This period covers at least 8-10 dry
starts, because each day I started it again after work, after 9 hours of
non-use.

-- END --

 

Based on the fact that I drove the car for 4-5 days, with the engine dry
(or nearly dry) of oil, I am asking Honda for a new car or factory-new
engine. Here is the letter I just faxed to the dealer....

+++++++++++++++++++++

Notes about 2007 CR-V Oil Loss
December 12, 2006
Chuck Connell, 781-939-0505
Car purchased from Herb Chambers Honda

Driving home from work last night, about 2-3 miles from home, I thought I
saw a light flicker on the dashboard. I looked, but saw nothing. I
continued to drive. I saw another flicker, looked again, and just saw the
oil light go out. I continued to drive. The light came on again, and then
went off. I was now about one mile from home. I continued home, and checked
the dip stick as soon as I got there. It was hard to read in the dark, and
I had just stopped the engine, but it appeared low. I added a quart of oil.

I drove my daughter to dance class (5 miles total) without the oil light
coming on. I checked the dipstick when I got home anyway. It appeared low,
so I added another quart of oil and parked the car for the night.

This morning, I checked the dipstick. The oil was completely off the stick,
or perhaps just a drop at the bottom. I added two quarts, bringing the oil
level up to full (2nd hole in the stick). The crankcase had been down four
quarts of oil. I drove directly to the dealer, about 6 miles.

Looking back, the leak started at least 5 days earlier.

- There are two large oil spots in my driveway. One where the CRV
was parked, and another at the entrance to the driveway. I saw both of
these over the previous weekend, but did not imagine they were from my new
car. The first one, I assumed was from my 10-year-old Saturn which had a
large transmission leak a few months ago. The second one, I assumed was
from another car that had visited our house or turned around in the
driveway. The driveway is black and old, so it is not obvious when a new
oil spot appears.

- There are two oil spots at my office parking lot, where I parked
my CRV the previous week. I remember where I parked because I had backed my
car in there, so that a glass company could easily fix the front
windshield, which had been cracked by a stone.

I now realize that the engine was dry of oil for 4-5 days, or more. When I
started the car those mornings, it started slowly, as if the battery were
low. I thought, at the time, that this seemed strange. Why would a new
battery be sluggish? But the car started, and ran fine, so I dismissed it.
I now understand that the reason the battery seemed weak is because the
engine was dry and not lubricated. This period covers at least 8-10 dry
starts, because each day I started it again after work, after 9 hours of
non-use.

-- END --