All the oil ran out of my new 2007 CR-V !!

Correction to below... The General Manager had called me again, and left
another message. I did not know this at the time I typed the below. We
talked on the phone for 10-15 minutes. He offered to replace the car via
his dealership, if I detect any problems with the engine, even if American
Honda does not. He gave me his cell number and told me to call if anything
develops. So this made me feel somewhat better about the experience.

Chuck

 

The overriding reason is that you really don't have much choice.

100k isn't long for a Honda. What if this defect caused the life of the
engine to drop from 320k to 200k? That's well beyond your warranty, but
it's a loss to you.

On the other hand, was there any damage done? Probably not. Was that a
low oil level light, or a low oil pressure light? A low level light is an
early warning. Reacting to a low level light as you did should result in
no harm to the engine. A low pressure condition could cause some amount of
damage to the motor, perhaps damage you will never see.

"Reasonable" doesn't include throwing away a new car at his expense, nor
does it include casual return of phone calls if it has been indicated that
the customer is after a resolution that isn't likely to occur. As others
noted, the dealer is not in charge here, AMC is in control. You had
"substantial" conversations with the people with the financial involvement.

 

The overriding reason is that you really don't have much choice.

100k isn't long for a Honda. What if this defect caused the life of the
engine to drop from 320k to 200k? That's well beyond your warranty, but
it's a loss to you.

On the other hand, was there any damage done? Probably not. Was that a
low oil level light, or a low oil pressure light? A low level light is an
early warning. Reacting to a low level light as you did should result in
no harm to the engine. A low pressure condition could cause some amount of
damage to the motor, perhaps damage you will never see.

"Reasonable" doesn't include throwing away a new car at his expense, nor
does it include casual return of phone calls if it has been indicated that
the customer is after a resolution that isn't likely to occur. As others
noted, the dealer is not in charge here, AMC is in control. You had
"substantial" conversations with the people with the financial involvement.

 

Not a bad thing, really, but I would go for the 8 year 120,000
HondaCare warranty. It's retail value is only a couple of hundred more
& Honda left you this negotiation room, so ask for it. (Eight years is
new for 2007 models. Most people don't know it exists.)

HondaCare does not cover "wear". It technically covers parts that
"break", so I would ask for special terms that "wear" of internal
engine parts is in fact covered. That's the whole point of this
exercise: concern over unusual wear caused by insufficient
lubrication.

HondaCare warranties are transferrable, so it would be worth something
to you later on.

 

Not a bad thing, really, but I would go for the 8 year 120,000
HondaCare warranty. It's retail value is only a couple of hundred more
& Honda left you this negotiation room, so ask for it. (Eight years is
new for 2007 models. Most people don't know it exists.)

HondaCare does not cover "wear". It technically covers parts that
"break", so I would ask for special terms that "wear" of internal
engine parts is in fact covered. That's the whole point of this
exercise: concern over unusual wear caused by insufficient
lubrication.

HondaCare warranties are transferrable, so it would be worth something
to you later on.

 

I can't imagine what that damage would be. Oil starvation isn't exactly rare
and the effects are well known.

Mike

 

I can't imagine what that damage would be. Oil starvation isn't exactly rare
and the effects are well known.

Mike

 

My gut hunch is you have no engine damage at all.. The reason I say
that
is you didn't take too long to deal with it, and if I remember right
from your
postings, you didn't drive too much with the light actually on. If the
engine was
so low as to really be a problem, you would almost certainly hear it.
IE:
noisy valves clacking, possible knocking, etc.. I don't think you
noticed this,
so I don't think it was ever totally out of oil.
So I think most likely you didn't have any real damage, and with the
warranty,
you should be ok. If the engine did get messed up, it will already be
sounding
at least slightly different than it did before. If it still runs and
sounds exactly
the same as before, I wouldn't be too worried about it.
MK

 

My gut hunch is you have no engine damage at all.. The reason I say
that
is you didn't take too long to deal with it, and if I remember right
from your
postings, you didn't drive too much with the light actually on. If the
engine was
so low as to really be a problem, you would almost certainly hear it.
IE:
noisy valves clacking, possible knocking, etc.. I don't think you
noticed this,
so I don't think it was ever totally out of oil.
So I think most likely you didn't have any real damage, and with the
warranty,
you should be ok. If the engine did get messed up, it will already be
sounding
at least slightly different than it did before. If it still runs and
sounds exactly
the same as before, I wouldn't be too worried about it.
MK

 

If the CR-V had run out of oil completely, OP would have noticed it. A
few years back I had a Saab 9000 that the oil pump started to go. The
sounds that came out of the engine before the pump kicked back on were
unmistakable - metal grinding on metal. When I drained the oil after
that, I couldn't believe how many metal shavings were in the oil -
yikes! I got rid of that car - FAST.

Mike

 

If the CR-V had run out of oil completely, OP would have noticed it. A
few years back I had a Saab 9000 that the oil pump started to go. The
sounds that came out of the engine before the pump kicked back on were
unmistakable - metal grinding on metal. When I drained the oil after
that, I couldn't believe how many metal shavings were in the oil -
yikes! I got rid of that car - FAST.

Mike

 

I just had new front axles and four Pirelli 400's put on my 10 year old
Civic Coupe.

They will have to pry my cold dead hands off the wheel before I sell it!

 

I just had new front axles and four Pirelli 400's put on my 10 year old
Civic Coupe.

They will have to pry my cold dead hands off the wheel before I sell it!

 

Which is a good thing, if you want to sell the car, with a history
like this.

J.

 

Which is a good thing, if you want to sell the car, with a history
like this.

J.

 

Chuck, wanted to throw in my .02 worth. I don't feel like you did any
serious damage to your vehicle,(only time will tell) but there is one
thing that might hurt you. If you ever sale the car, the the buyer does
like I do, have the vin pulled up at the dealer the check for all
repairs, and the potential buyer sees this, it could hurt your resale
value. I had a truck few years back that had major engine work done
under warranty, and when I decided the sale the truck 3 years later, the
buyer checked the vin like I do and saw that, then backed out on the
sale because of it.Good luck in your outcome.