Another Honda recall

What's wrong with Honda quality.

 

sadly, its slipping. so is their styling and engineering...losing the
double wishbone was a lousy idea.

nissans altima is a nice looking car, but their quality sucks. toyota
seems to be doing well. cant swing a cat in so cal without hitting a 4
door tacoma crewcab.

 

Perhaps, but I challenge you to compare the number of recalls of an ANY
American vehicle to the one or two Honda has on any one of theirs. It will
probably be 10 to 1 American car recalls to Honda recalls.

CaptainKrunch

 

One thing I have noticed about Honda: In most cases when they do have a
recall,they do not fight it.They just issue the appropriate notices and
quietly take care of the problem.....unlike American branded car
manufacturers who go to great lengths to assign blame and deflect any
responsibility for any problem that occurs until the government
intervenes or forces a recall.In some cases they even deny a problem is
happening even when confronted by case histories.

 

many nissans share renault parts and platforms
older nissans are fine cars, since the renault take-over its crap too

marcel

 

Is this true? That's really sad then. A friend of mine put over 200,000
miles on a '90 Nissan NX with very few problems. It was still running great
when she sold it a few years ago.

But I suppose it was to be expected. It seems when a high quality company
and a low quality company merge, usually the low quality replaces the high
quality. Another case in point, DaimlerChrysler. Instead of higher quality
Chryslers, the result is lower quality Mercedes-Benz's. That is why I am
skeptical of the newer Mazdas, since they are using more Ford parts. Hell,
their trucks have been rebadged Fords since the mid-90s.

Apart from the V6 auto tranny issues and the strut issue on recent Civics,
Honda's mechanical quality remains near the top, along with Toyota.

 

I look to Consumer Reports for reliability information. They show no
discernable change in Nissan Reliability, at least not yet. (Keep in
mind that it takes a couple years at least before there is meaningful
data.) Early results on the two newest models - Murano and 350Z look
promising. Quest and Altima. Nissan has some good models (Maxima)
and some mediocre ones (New Altima, Quest).

I think you may have a chicken and egg situation here. The very idea
of buying Chrysler indicates a radical shift in thinking on Daimler's
part.

CR confirms this. On comparable models, it is pretty much a toss-up
between Toyota and Honda on reliability. Toyota is clearly better on
exhaust and a little better on electrical, but Honda seems to do
better on engines and suspensions. Even these differences don't show
up until 4-5 years of use.

There is also no evidence that newer Hondas are less reliable than
they used to be or than newer Toyotas are now. I have been hearing
about new (or made in USA) Hondas not being as good as the
old/Japanese made ones since at least 1997. I have owned Hondas from
model years '74, '80, '86, '94 and '98 and in my experience they just
keep getting more reliable. (Can't really say about the '98 - still
too new - but so far so good.)

A final thought. A defective Honda Odyssey transmission is only half
as likely to break as a Dodge Caravan transmission.

 

american car recalls are usually the result of HUGE blunders. we arent
talking about honda seat belt latches, or ignition switches that may be
flaky.

ford has ignition switches that start fires, and remember the pinto? the
blame game between ford and firestone over explorers that flip over?

id rather have a company that replaces seat belt latches or ignition
switches that *might* eventually wear out sooner than normal, than a
truck that might flip over because of tires, or catch on fire because of
an ignition switch.

 

such as? just curious. anything in the altimaxima shared with renault?

i dont understand this:

the altima and maxima share a drivetrain and platform... so why bother
buying the maxima?

maybe i should ask over at rec.autos.makers.nissan

 

those were the funky lil ovoid ones, right? man- bet its a bear finding
body parts/trim for that.

reminds me of the lil mazda about the same size with the tiny V6... mx3,
maybe? now THAT was an answer to a question noone asked! gotta give em
credit for trying... do they use that lil v6 for anything else these
days, or was it retired?

 

the quest is large and funky. and the altima looks like its outselling
maximas 100 to 1, based on how many i see on the street.

 

id give the odds as less than that. i personally know a family that has
gone through 3 caravan trannies, and my brother had a daytona that ate one.

 

Fascinating. Do you have any references on this? Not that I doubt it
for a second, but before I pass that infomration along I'd like to see
some numbers.

 

He's posting from NL so there's probably more truth to it there. Renault
basically told the Nissan U.K. assembly plant to quit using the crappy U.K.
made parts and switch to a better supplier like Valeo, which just happens
to be a err, French held multi-national. BTW Honda also uses Valeo for
some parts in the U.S.

Neither do I. Renault has improved its build tremendously since they were
last imported to the U.S. - dunno if they've ever faced the U.S. corrosion
problem in the Northern states though but there's talk that they *may* try
selling one or two Renault models through the U.S. Nissan dealership
network.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

 

(Gordon McGrew) wrote in

no, in european tests nissan has become less reliable since using the
renault platforms and engines
but these are only the latest nissan models !! (micra, primera and almera
except the tino)

marcel

 

in europe there are other nissans then in de us, like the micra and the
primera

that is also true for other japanese cars
the us honda's are different from the euro ones, in europe there is no v6
accord (only 2.0 and 2.4 4 cyl, both i-vtec)

marcel

 

It's a rough approximation, but here are the failure rates from
Consumer Reports. Note that '03 models had only been in service about
3 months when the survey was conducted.

Transmission Failure Rates (%)
96 97 98 99 00 01 02 03

Odyssey <2 <2 5-9 5-9 2-5 2-5 <2 <2

Caravan >15 9-15 5-9 9-15 >15 2-5 2-5 <2

 

My personal experience is different. I had nissan for 5 years, honda
for 3 months - Nissan was more reliable.

 

While idly wondering if the Pakmara can really do that, SoCalMike said:

; reminds me of the lil mazda about the same size with the tiny V6... mx3,
; maybe? now THAT was an answer to a question noone asked! gotta give em
; credit for trying... do they use that lil v6 for anything else these
; days, or was it retired?

I think it was retired. Too bad, I think I'd have liked that engine as
an option in my old (to me) '00 Protege.

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It's hard to make a judgement on something like that by just
considering TWO cars. If you had bad Honda experience, you may have
just got a lemon.