Anyone Know What Honda Has in the Works for 2005?

I guess a good question would be to ask whether Honda has ever marketed a
vehicle that did NOT sell???
Anybody got any stats handy....?
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Only one that pops to mind is the del Sol, but it was a Civic variant, so
I'm guessing they got their money's worth.

 

Toyota already builds a "real truck".

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'03 S2000
'94 Accord

It's just about going fast...that's all...

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Thanks for your permission.

Sure I have.

Just like Ford truck sales dropping like rain?

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'03 S2000
'94 Accord

It's just about going fast...that's all...

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I believe Honda knows more about the car and truck market than you do.


Honda certainly is not infallible. How many years did it take them to
figure out what sells in the US minivan market ????? The idea that their
first pickup truck will succeed simply due to Honda's genius is
unimaginative at best.

John

 

Toyota already builds a "real truck".


Ya sure, dat is vy Toyoda is doing a basic redesign of dar full sized Real
Truck at this vewy moment to try to get it right.

Japanese car makers like Microsoft ... first time maybe not quite right,
second time better, keep working on it and eventually dominate.

John

 

No one has said that.
I merely assert that Honda is smarter that "mike".

 

Odyssey 1 anyone?

How about the rebadged Isuzu they sold as a .... hmmm, can't even remember
the name.

John

 

Acura RL is a sales dog. The buyers in that vehicle class are looking for
V8 power and rear wheel drive. Honda tries to sell them a V-6 powered FWD
vehicle which finds very few buyers.

John

 

From a pure marketing standpoint, that's probably true.

But have you ever driven one? Man oh man, what a sweet ride. I almost
bought a 98 with 58000 miles on it. Even with the age and the miles, it
was super sweet.

Honda can do anything Toyota can do. But do they have the will to do
it? Not in all cases.

 

Yes, they are a nice car, but not competitive with the best in their price
category.

John

 

Yes, they are a nice car, but not competitive with the best in their price
category.[/QUOTE]

To check on this, I went to edmunds.com. Man, was I surprised.

The 04 RL has a True Market Value price ("what others are paying") of
$39,294-which is a couple thousand UNDER INVOICE. There are no factory
options available.

The base Lexus LS430 has a TMV of $56,752--which is only about $700
under RETAIL.

So despite the fact that each car represents its manufacturer's top of
the line, they aren't comparable--not by features and not by price.

Let's see how the RL compares to other 6 cylinder cars: maybe the GS300
and the ES330.

The GS300, roughly equipped like the RL, has a TMV of $41,778.

The ES330, roughly equipped like the RL, has a TMV of $37,279.

So compare the RL to the ES330, and you get a larger car with a few more
goodies and refinement, intended to be a higher end car than the ES330
is for a couple thousand more.

Or compare the RL to the GS300, and you get a larger car with not as
much sport factor, still intended to be higher end and more refined, and
save a couple thousand.

Frankly, I was amazed at the RL price. It's obvious that Honda has
their larger sport model, the TL, and their larger luxury model, the RL,
and they're both intended to play well below the Lexus LS line. They
both at this point are probably aimed at roughly the same market.

 

To check on this, I went to edmunds.com. Man, was I surprised.

This sort of makes the point. Honda/Acura has to sell the RL at a deep
discount in order to move any of them. Lexus, BMW and MBZ all are selling
their competitive models at much higher profit margins because their
vehicles are more in tune with the buying population's expectations.

I'm fairly sure Honda would rather be getting full sticker price!

The flip side is that for those who like the RL the actual purchase price is
greatly reduced.

John

 

Proof that Honda does not always know or try to force you to buy their crap
..
The RL / Legend sucks it is underpowered and does not handle as well as a
mercury marquis costing thousands less and is just as reliable. Look how
long it took them to put heated mirrors on sold vehicles.

A front wheel drive pickup is the dumbest of dumb,

 

No, the dumbest of the dumb are people who buy pickups and SUVs to use
as commuter cars. For them, a front wheel drive pickup (or car-based
SUV) is slightly less dumb.