bad transmission - 2500 dollars

I don't. I've spoken with a Honda zone rep--you know, the
manufacturer's representative who has to pay out for warranty claims and
the like.

 

Personally, I find that procedure pretty wasteful and convoluted.

By simply providing a means to drain the converter as well as the tranny
would simplify the process.

I'm wondering why the environutz have not picked up on this by the lube
companies love it...

JT

 

Sorry, but I would preffer to see official paper from Honda.
Something like tsr or service manual amendment, etc.

So far you were not able to produce manufacturer recomendation
AGAINST using AT flush machines.

 

From my experience dealerships do not offer simple drain&fill.
They switched to offer machine flush.

What are you trying to achive using such rude comments?
Do you think they are valid arguments in this debat?

Please provide me with a proof of manuafacturer recomending
against using flush machines or admit such recomendation
does not exist.

 

Engineer do not recommend a machine, they do not recommend
against using a machine either. So do not try to lift your
own opinion against machines using the authority of the
honda manufacturer if there is no such recomendation against
using such machines.

So far, during this lenghty discussion, nobody was able
to answer simple question with valid, verifiable answer:
why flushing transmission is worse than drain&fill.
Also, nobody confirmed the statement made to me and OP
at the dealership about benefits of using tranny with
an old fluid, which contains "beneficial particles",
flushed with the replacement of the fluid...

 

Me too.

Maybe it is not possible due to locking some air in the tranny
during refill or something like that? Who knows...

Machine seems to be a reasonable way to go but nobody can
produce here argument against using such machine, unfortunatelly.

Lube companies love it because it saves service time and the tranny fluid.

 

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Honda designed the tranny. They know ZipHead Lube will hook up the hoses
backwards (and probably sell you non-Honda fluid). They have a simple
answer: Don't do it.

Read it for yourself:
http://www.hondasuv.com/members/showthread.php?t=22479&

'Curly'

 

At least you don't have anyone elses fluid from the flushing machine which
was a point he made.

 

I highly recommend you get your AT flushed ASAP. Let us know how it works
out.

 

No, the dealership service department has its own agenda for making
money--and that is frequently at odds with what the manufacturer says.

The "right people" are the manufacturers. They create the service
manuals. Get the service manual and follow its direction.

Meanwhile, the dealership will do whatever it takes to make money. If
that means lying to you to try to convince you to spend money for a
procedure that the manufacturer VERY SPECIFICALLY recommends AGAINST,
they will. They end up with the money, and you end up with the repair
bill a few months afterward.
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As an example, when the epa insisted that freon had to be recycled, my
Toyota dealer apparently felt that he wasn't making enuf money with his
Vampire freon recycling machine so he would recommend to customers with
older Toyotas and perfectly working ac's, like me, to replace their freon.
I told the dealer to take a hike and change my oil and filter as requested.

 

Why would I have someone else's fluid??

 

Have you wrongly understood I am a flushing advocate?
It is wrong. I do not have my own opinion and I am
not a mechanic. I came here to ask questions, but
answers I am getting are not making much sense...

 

So the dealer went against EPA recomendation or not?

 

hehehehehe You're mean.

I like it.

 

Engineer do not recommend a machine, they do not recommend
against using a machine either.[/QUOTE]

Yes, they do, as mentioned earlier in this thread.

 

Finally somebody with anything on paper from Honda.
Thank you, now I am convinced.

Now I need a tip from you guys how to make sure the dealer
will do what I asked him to do and do not use machine instead?
I guess the only way to make sure is to do it myself

 

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The look on your face is worth the price of admission when you see the
snot-ball of metallic goop clinging to the magnetic drain plug. It's so
thick you'll think the plug is held in place by it.

DIY. You'll be a HERO when your tranny starts shifting better.

'Curly'

 

you know, for a guy that wants FREE EXPERT ADVICE, you're being
amazingly thick headed and remarkably obstreperous. i suggest you pay
attention and quit the attitude.

 

geeze. read the stuff on tegger.com. read the tsb's linked from
tegger.com. read the google archives. and quit being such an
argumentative jerk - it's not like you're actually /paying/ people here
to suck up your attitude.

 

dude, we do NOT want to go there. TMI.