Black Box

That's a crock.

To have the right to kill and maim law abiding citizens.

 

<begin rant>
Getting way more OT here - the "double nickle" succumbed to pressure from
the states, sparked by the short-lived and controversial governor of
Arizona, Evan Mecham. Ev was widely portrayed as incompetent, even racist,
by the Arizona Republic and other Arizona power brokers but he held his
ground on the federal extortion that withheld federal highway funds from
states that failed to enforce the federal mandate. Within weeks other
governors joined in and Washington saw a rebellion in the works, one that
would land a lot of incumbents on the street if they didn't back down.

Governor Mecham was an independent who prevailed against party hacks
Republican Burton Barr (shudder!) and Democrat Carolyn Warner (double
shudder!) He was honest enough - more than any Arizona governor in memory
except Rose Mofford - but he lacked the political savvy to defend himself
against the Pulliam Press. (There was bad blood between Pulliam and Mecham,
dating back to when Mecham published a competing paper.) He was reviled for
overturning the outgoing governor's declaration of MLK's birthday as a legal
holiday, although he pointed out the governor's office has no legitimate
power to make fiscal policy. He was branded a racist by the Arizona
Republic, which reported the fact that he was on a school panel that
approved a textbook that mentioned young black children were once referred
to as "pickaninnies" - and then so distorted their own story in followups
that most Arizonans believed he had actually used the term himself.
Ultimately he was impeached for violating campaign finance laws, when an
irregularity was turned up that wouldn't merit a yawn from a Republican or
Democrat. With both Republicans and Democrats voting on the impeachment, no
independent stood a chance. (Ya gotta hand it to Arizona - the corruption is
right out in the open here!) His political carcass hangs in the state
capitol to warn upstarts: this is a two party system.

<end rant>

 

Discount it all you want,but the MASSIVE disobediance of the 55 NMSL by
ordinary drivers was the reason it went away.

 

I don't think so, because violations of the 55 mph limit were a revenue
source. The more it was violated (as long as the citations were written, to
collect the fines and satisfy the feds enforcement was taking place) the
more the states profited and the greater the incentive to continue the
program. Political pressure to repeal the limit threatened the future of too
many politicians, apart from whether the law was actually obeyed.

Mike

 

Guys - I started this dialog to see if anyone was aware of any website that
would tell you if the car had a black box. I don't want a box in my car and
I don't care to debate it here and justify. Same reason I don't want the
grocery store keeping a log of what I buy or the cable company what I watch.
Why do we need all this info unless we were being paid for it. Do your own
searches, black box have caused a lot of heart burn for people in wrecks.

So if anyone has any more info please post it ;-)

 

the only way is to go for an old car with obdc0 or carburetion. most
everything else keeps a record of anywhere between the last few seconds
to some minutes of data.

go to a nerd site like slashdot.org and search for some [informative]
techy threads on this.

 

That is -where- the political pressure came from;all the people who got
ticketed.It sure didn't come from all the blindly obedient drones.

 

By using the term 'blindly obedient drones'. Are you referring to the
drivers that prefer to keep their money in their pockets (instead of funding
the annual policeman's ball) and continue to drive where they want and need
to go every day of the year?

Brian

 

Disobedience and disapproval are not synonymous; I disagree with our tax
structure but I pay my taxes. I was a "blindly obedient drone" because I
didn't speed, and nobody asked me my opinion. But you can bet the speeders
who were ticketed only "fed the beast" by making it economically attractive
to retain the limit.

You suggest by the term "all" that the majority obeyed the limit, but that
undercuts your premise. Effective political pressure requires a clear
majority (otherwise re-election would not be an issue), so if obedience were
the measure rather than public opinion we would still be driving 55.

Mike

 

If I remember correctly, it's anything '96 and newer however you may need to
check individual makes and models.

Eric

 

And you probably did not write your representatives,either.

No,I don't;that is what you choose to read into what I wrote.

By "didn't come from all the blindly obedient drones",I allowed that SOME
of the drones might have expressed their opposition to the 55 NMSL by
writing their reps,or through newpaper letters to the editor.
Most just went along(obeyed) and kept silent,IMO.(and fumed at all the
"lawbreakers" speeding around and past them.)
But it IS clear that the majority of drivers DID exceed the 55 NMSL,thus
the effort to cut off HWY funds to increase enforcement;if it were
profitable and enforced,there would have been -no need- to cut off HWY
funds. IIRC,many states statistics showed massive noncompliance.

Not really;just a large enough vocal group;look at homosexual groups,they
certainly are not "majorities",yet manage to influence legislators in
excess of their actual numbers.

 

How? I looked on the Honda ownerlink website and couldn't find anything.

 

Your so right.