Can Anything Stop Toyota?

But TeGG, one has to ask, did the mirror really need to be that think in
the first place? Its not liek you'd want to hook a tow strap to it or
something/ ;-)

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SENATOR ZELL MILLER DEMOCRAT OF GEORGIA, the nation's most prominent
conservative Democrat, said today he will endorse President Bush for
re-election in 2004 and campaign for him if Bush wishes him to. Miller
said Bush is "the right man at the right time" to govern the country.

The next five years "will determine the kind of world my children and
grandchildren will live in," Miller said in an interview. And he
wouldn't "trust" any of the nine Democratic presidential candidates with
governing during "that crucial period," he said. "This Democrat will
vote for President Bush in 2004."

 

It's not a knock against Toyota. I'd suspect the new Hondas are the same.

It's that price pressure I mentioned before. My '91 was not built to quite
the same pressures. It has no airbags, for instance, so that's $1,500 off
the build price right there. Lots of money to make mirrors thicker.

 

It's not a knock against Toyota. I'd suspect the new Hondas are the same.

It's that price pressure I mentioned before. My '91 was not built to quite
the same pressures. It has no airbags, for instance, so that's $1,500 off
the build price right there. Lots of money to make mirrors thicker.

 

To be fair, the Tercel is one of the cheapest Toyota sold in the U.S., so they
have to cut corners. The Acura/Honda Integra is an upscale Honda Civic, so I
suppose better material should be used. The Tercel could be had for about $
10K to $13K, the Integra was about $16K and up. Hardly a fair comparison.

 

To be fair, the Tercel is one of the cheapest Toyota sold in the U.S., so they
have to cut corners. The Acura/Honda Integra is an upscale Honda Civic, so I
suppose better material should be used. The Tercel could be had for about $
10K to $13K, the Integra was about $16K and up. Hardly a fair comparison.

 

Why would you want to tour an NUMMI plant??? Can't afford Disneyland? NUMMI
being the builder is exactly the problem. Having rear wheel bearing failed at
only 15,000 miles speaks for itself about the build quality.

Fact is that Toyota's non-union shops in the *U.S.* continue to churn out
quality automobiles, while GM/UAW shops continue to crank out craps. That's
the fact, period. Consumer Reports annual survey is far more credible than
your story.

 

Why would you want to tour an NUMMI plant??? Can't afford Disneyland? NUMMI
being the builder is exactly the problem. Having rear wheel bearing failed at
only 15,000 miles speaks for itself about the build quality.

Fact is that Toyota's non-union shops in the *U.S.* continue to churn out
quality automobiles, while GM/UAW shops continue to crank out craps. That's
the fact, period. Consumer Reports annual survey is far more credible than
your story.

 

There are some American vehicles that do perform well with respect to
overall quality, but they are few. What bothers me is that Toyota is looking
more at the profit margen. It seems every time a company starts looking more
at that, quality takes a hit in favor of profit. So, you start getting the
problems. I drove a Toyota Matrix, and I can tell you this, It is not built
as well as either of my Hondas. The plastic trim on the dash and doors is
like paper and the interior in general feels cheaper. It was a nice vehicle,
but I would much rather have a Honda. The only other vehicle that came close
to a Honda was the Nissan Spec V I drove. That was a nice built and nice
driving vehicle.

 

There are some American vehicles that do perform well with respect to
overall quality, but they are few. What bothers me is that Toyota is looking
more at the profit margen. It seems every time a company starts looking more
at that, quality takes a hit in favor of profit. So, you start getting the
problems. I drove a Toyota Matrix, and I can tell you this, It is not built
as well as either of my Hondas. The plastic trim on the dash and doors is
like paper and the interior in general feels cheaper. It was a nice vehicle,
but I would much rather have a Honda. The only other vehicle that came close
to a Honda was the Nissan Spec V I drove. That was a nice built and nice
driving vehicle.

 

You'll note that Ford's SUVs from the Escape to the Excursion all have the
exact same worthless interior. Trim lines add leather and sunroofs and
such, but nothing to the basic worthless bare bones plasticky interior.

 

You'll note that Ford's SUVs from the Escape to the Excursion all have the
exact same worthless interior. Trim lines add leather and sunroofs and
such, but nothing to the basic worthless bare bones plasticky interior.

 

I don't persoanlly but much stock in the CR survey, but they do show the Prizum to
have an "exemplary reliability record." It is as good as any Toyota (and better
than the Camry or Tundra for instance).

Ed

 

And you don't think the interior in a 4Runner is a basic plasticky interior? In
my life I have had two cars where the interior plastic turned white with age -
one was an Audi, the other a Toyota. The cheap plastic in the Toyota started
cracking in less than 6 years. At least the Audi's did crack (but then I only
kept the car for three years). The plastic in my sister's Honda ('97 Civic) is
also starting to look bad and it has turned brittle in spots (like the sun visor
mount that came off in my hand).

Ed

 

Latest Car and Driver had a great letter. In it someone pointed out, Japan
and Germany is forbidden from building armies. Their brightest engineers go
work for auto manufacturers.

In the U.S. , brightest minds go to work for defense companies.

 

Latest Car and Driver had a great letter. In it someone pointed out, Japan
and Germany is forbidden from building armies. Their brightest engineers go
work for auto manufacturers.

In the U.S. , brightest minds go to work for defense companies.

 

What about Toyota's UAW union shop assembly plant in California?
The current CR. list the Buick Regal as better than the Camry,
Accord or Taurus.


mike hunt

 

In your dreams. I've worked at Boeing and in the high-tech industries,
and there is no comparison - best and brightest computer people work
for Apple, Intel, Microsoft, NEC. If it is the same for manufacturing
and mechanical design, I'd put my money on the auto-industry people.

Floyd

 

In your dreams. I've worked at Boeing and in the high-tech industries,
and there is no comparison - best and brightest computer people work
for Apple, Intel, Microsoft, NEC. If it is the same for manufacturing
and mechanical design, I'd put my money on the auto-industry people.

Floyd

 

The Prizum is built in the California plant.

Ed

 

Although it would make sense for an SUV to have an easy-clean interior
like the Wrangler or Element (or old SUV), as opposed to a "nice" interior
that gets dirty easily and is hard to clean.