Can Anything Stop Toyota?

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My apologies. I'll be more careful. |^ (

 

That's the corn starch that is used to make the plastic less shiny.

 

So, you wanna work on the AWACS plane? When it was delivered
to the AF in 1978 or so, it's computer was essentially - *AND STILL
IS TO THIS DAY* essentially an IBM 360 using 1970 tech. If a
computer went out the techs often went down to Radio Shack for
a capacitor to fix it.

I had a manager - this guy had a PhD in Math - that couldn't understand
that, if a compiler (under development) could do 1+2=2, it could also
do 2+2=4. We had other managers that believed that assembly code
was the only way to go to make tight code - they never could believe
that the *algorithms* and *requirements* dictated the slow system
response.

Basically, 10% of us did 90% of the work, because 90% of the people
there were incapable. Nothing has changed since then - have you
ever noticed that the Star Wars interceptors still don't work; after
40 years you'd think they could get it right.

Floyd

 

So, you wanna work on the AWACS plane? When it was delivered
to the AF in 1978 or so, it's computer was essentially - *AND STILL
IS TO THIS DAY* essentially an IBM 360 using 1970 tech. If a
computer went out the techs often went down to Radio Shack for
a capacitor to fix it.

I had a manager - this guy had a PhD in Math - that couldn't understand
that, if a compiler (under development) could do 1+2=2, it could also
do 2+2=4. We had other managers that believed that assembly code
was the only way to go to make tight code - they never could believe
that the *algorithms* and *requirements* dictated the slow system
response.

Basically, 10% of us did 90% of the work, because 90% of the people
there were incapable. Nothing has changed since then - have you
ever noticed that the Star Wars interceptors still don't work; after
40 years you'd think they could get it right.

Floyd

 

But doesn't the US still have the most advanced military equipment in the
world? I don't ever remember an M1 Abrams break down - I was in desert Storm
(of course us Marines were still in the good old M60s). The war machine that
the U.S. has is really high tech. I am just quoting a letter, which put some
light on this issue. I still agree that for most part, American car industry
is doing catch up.

 

But doesn't the US still have the most advanced military equipment in the
world? I don't ever remember an M1 Abrams break down - I was in desert Storm
(of course us Marines were still in the good old M60s). The war machine that
the U.S. has is really high tech. I am just quoting a letter, which put some
light on this issue. I still agree that for most part, American car industry
is doing catch up.

 

Bigotry only belongs to someone like you. You refuse to face the fact that
Toyota is making quality automobiles and gaining market share in the U.S.
Consumer Reports surveys 600,000 auto owners. The result speaks the truth.
We need to wake up and compete, not to be ignorant like you.

Just because GM/UAW gave you some kind of "backdoor tours" (I don't wanna
know) in their plants shouldn't slant your view about GM/UAW quality. Instead
of touring the useless plants, go to your local library and read the April
issue of Consumer Reports.

 

Bigotry only belongs to someone like you. You refuse to face the fact that
Toyota is making quality automobiles and gaining market share in the U.S.
Consumer Reports surveys 600,000 auto owners. The result speaks the truth.
We need to wake up and compete, not to be ignorant like you.

Just because GM/UAW gave you some kind of "backdoor tours" (I don't wanna
know) in their plants shouldn't slant your view about GM/UAW quality. Instead
of touring the useless plants, go to your local library and read the April
issue of Consumer Reports.

 

You should be.

 

You should be.

 

It's got very low clearance so it's really not designed to go offroad. Its
gas tank also hangs dangerously low underneath. Hopefully its AWD system will
do OK on beach sand.

 

It's got very low clearance so it's really not designed to go offroad. Its
gas tank also hangs dangerously low underneath. Hopefully its AWD system will
do OK on beach sand.

 

Volvo is just one line of the Ford family of vehicles (including
Ford, Mercury, Lincoln, Mazda, Jaguar, and Land Rover).

 

The M1A1 Abrams is probably the best tank in the world. Notice the
designation? That's because it took about 15 years to get an acceptable
one built. The engines (gas turbines), the gun, the armor, etc. were all
re-designed at least once. The tank was first conceived/designed
around 1970, IIRC.

The really good thing is that the USSR, Europe and third-world countries
are worse at building military stuff. For instance, the UK's attempt to
build the Nimrod AWACS failed utterly at the same time we built
the E3A. The US's current defense budget is higher than the 10 next-
biggest defense budgets (or something like that.) The US has spent
far more than the rest of the world has, and consequently has better
equipment and men (training is key) than anyone else.

That *does not* mean that the people in the US's defense industry are
better than anyone else's. We spend more, you get more (even
though the Pentagon's beaurocracy appears to be mostly incompetent
and spends much of it's time on inter-service fights.) There are a
lot of good people in the US's defense industry; but there are
many more that are very ordinary or even moronic.

The main problem I see with the US's auto industry is that they
have always been too focused on current profits and haven't
spent enough on R&D and product development. Complacency.

Floyd

 

The M1A1 Abrams is probably the best tank in the world. Notice the
designation? That's because it took about 15 years to get an acceptable
one built. The engines (gas turbines), the gun, the armor, etc. were all
re-designed at least once. The tank was first conceived/designed
around 1970, IIRC.

The really good thing is that the USSR, Europe and third-world countries
are worse at building military stuff. For instance, the UK's attempt to
build the Nimrod AWACS failed utterly at the same time we built
the E3A. The US's current defense budget is higher than the 10 next-
biggest defense budgets (or something like that.) The US has spent
far more than the rest of the world has, and consequently has better
equipment and men (training is key) than anyone else.

That *does not* mean that the people in the US's defense industry are
better than anyone else's. We spend more, you get more (even
though the Pentagon's beaurocracy appears to be mostly incompetent
and spends much of it's time on inter-service fights.) There are a
lot of good people in the US's defense industry; but there are
many more that are very ordinary or even moronic.

The main problem I see with the US's auto industry is that they
have always been too focused on current profits and haven't
spent enough on R&D and product development. Complacency.

Floyd

 

No wonder they're such lemons!

Andrew

 

IS, you mean "was"

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SENATOR ZELL MILLER DEMOCRAT OF GEORGIA, the nation's most prominent
conservative Democrat, said today he will endorse President Bush for
re-election in 2004 and campaign for him if Bush wishes him to. Miller
said Bush is "the right man at the right time" to govern the country.

The next five years "will determine the kind of world my children and
grandchildren will live in," Miller said in an interview. And he
wouldn't "trust" any of the nine Democratic presidential candidates with
governing during "that crucial period," he said. "This Democrat will
vote for President Bush in 2004."

 

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Oh but if you knew me thru posts on the alt.autos.toyota forum. But
this particular thread is so crossposted....

Nobody of experience gives Consumer Reports much credence. They are
handy ... but not much more. I've seen them print laughable reviews
while other times they get it close to right. That publication
should never make up your mind.

The back door tours I got of GM Southgate back in '78 was when I had
a part time job picking up special deliveries of parts baskets from
LAX and running them (often late at night) to the plant. GM
Southgate at that time was a shoddy place by any standard. It was
soon closed.

Take this to the bank, friend .... what you learn in a library is
only icing on the cake ... after a factory tour, especially an
unguided tour. I also took an unguided tour of Ford's truck assembly
plant in Richmond, VA (1989?). Damned JIT delivery. But I didn't
let that layover time turn into wasted time.

 

In

Oh but if you knew me thru posts on the alt.autos.toyota forum. But
this particular thread is so crossposted....

Nobody of experience gives Consumer Reports much credence. They are
handy ... but not much more. I've seen them print laughable reviews
while other times they get it close to right. That publication
should never make up your mind.

The back door tours I got of GM Southgate back in '78 was when I had
a part time job picking up special deliveries of parts baskets from
LAX and running them (often late at night) to the plant. GM
Southgate at that time was a shoddy place by any standard. It was
soon closed.

Take this to the bank, friend .... what you learn in a library is
only icing on the cake ... after a factory tour, especially an
unguided tour. I also took an unguided tour of Ford's truck assembly
plant in Richmond, VA (1989?). Damned JIT delivery. But I didn't
let that layover time turn into wasted time.

 

My '92 Corolla interior is as good as new. No cracks.


Scott in Florida