Can Igniters be fixed?

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Jason Faas, Jan 21, 2004.

  1. Jason Faas

    Jason Faas Guest

    Well, I just replaced a coil that didn't need to be replaced (I can be an
    idiot some times), and found that the igniter was the real culprit. A good
    learning experience at any rate.

    With the old igniter on my table, I discovered that the top can be taken
    off. I realize that it is probably impractical and untrustworthy, but I'm
    wondering if these can be fixed. This is just to satisfy my curiosity. Has
    anyone every tried? Better yet, has anyone ever succeeded? I was hoping to
    see an obvious spot where something was burned or broken, but no such luck.

    The igniter in question is from a '91 Civic and has "NEC MC-8132" on the
    top.

    Thanks,

    Jason
     
    Jason Faas, Jan 21, 2004
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  2. Jason Faas

    Caroline Guest

    Don't know if you know this, but--

    Take heart. The ignitor and coil seem to fail around the same mileage. One may
    also argue that a malfunctioning coil will screw up an ignitor. (I have less
    faith in the other way around, though.)

    Just humble speculation from another 1991 Civic owner who's seen a few coil and
    ignitor failures in her car's 150k life.
    You got all the way to the guts? I tried with a recent, old NEC ignitor and
    didn't get far until I concluded a large hammer would be helpful.

    Is the inside pretty clean-looking? This came up in one of the Honda groups a
    few months ago. Some guy posted a photo of his old ignitor's guts. Full of gunk.
    Dunno. Lots of people talk about ignitor problems here, so hang on. Or try
    searching google.groups .
    FWIW, OEM ignitors are said to last longer. (And I'm cheap, but not with
    ignitors. Anymore)
     
    Caroline, Jan 21, 2004
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  3. Jason Faas

    Jason Faas Guest

    There was a bead of silicone around the top. I went around that with a
    razor blade and scraped some out with a screwdriver. I then pried off the
    top. It is very clean on the inside. I think I saw a picture of the one
    you mentioned.
    Which are OEM? I read that what came in the car was a different brand, but
    was replaced by NEC due to failure. NEC is what I got from the dealer this
    morning. Which other brands have you tried?
     
    Jason Faas, Jan 21, 2004
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  4. Jason Faas

    Caroline Guest

    Thanks.

    The guy who put the photo up posted more detail about the ignitor in the last
    several months. See http://www.gcw.org.uk/rover/igniter.htm

    He might chime in...
    You're right: NEC is the updated ignitor and the one to use.

    I don't remember the last brand I had, except it was *not* NEC. Firestone
    installed it. Lasted under 50k miles, IIRC, but this may have been related to
    coil problems I had.

    From discussions before on this, the OKI brand of ignitor does not last.

    This the first time you replaced the ignitor? How many miles at each
    replacement?
     
    Caroline, Jan 21, 2004
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  5. Jason Faas

    Jason Faas Guest

    On 1/20/04 19:40, in article
    JMkPb.21168$, "Caroline"

    Yep, this is my first time. I have only owned the car for about 5,000
    miles. It is now at 126,000 and is in excellent condition. The distributor
    was replaced at 119,000 and I don't know if they would have replaced the
    igniter then or used what was in it. Hopefully the one I pulled lasted more
    than 7,000 miles! I should say I hope the new one lasts a long, long
    time...
     
    Jason Faas, Jan 21, 2004
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  6. Jason Faas

    Caroline Guest

    FWIW, from my experience, they wouldn't necessarily replace the igniter. Its too
    expensive.
    I think I'm going to replace mine regularly now, at about every 80k miles.
     
    Caroline, Jan 21, 2004
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  7. Jason Faas

    Al Smith Guest

    I gotta ask. What is an ignitor? What does it do?

    I am a mechanical engineer. I know all about the Otto
    cycle, but an ignitor?
     
    Al Smith, Jan 22, 2004
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  8. Jason Faas

    Randolph Guest

    Honda actually calls it an Ignition Control Module, others call it an
    ignition amplifier. As a mechanical engineer you probably appreciate the
    old style ignition with points in the distributor. The way Honda does
    (did?) electronic ignition, the ECU sends out a pulse every time it
    wants voltage to be applied to the coil primary (based on solid state
    sensors in the distributor housing). The igniter is not much more than a
    power transistor that receives this pulse from the ECU and in turn does
    the actual switching of power to the coil primary.

    I don't know if this is why Honda did it this way, but the wire to the
    coil primary switches a fair amount of current, and the harmonic content
    is very high. It is a nasty RF noise radiator and by keeping the wire
    only a few inches long, neatly tucked into the distributor housing, the
    radiation is kept to a minimum.
     
    Randolph, Jan 22, 2004
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  9. Jason Faas

    Jim Yanik Guest


    It's what Honda called the ignition control module,that switches the
    current thru the ignition coil in place of the old-style breaker points no
    longer in use.

    here's a pic and some info on one.
    http://www.gcw.org.uk/rover/igniter.htm
     
    Jim Yanik, Jan 22, 2004
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  10. Jason Faas

    Al Smith Guest

    OK. So, what does Chrysler call it?

    My mother's 1984 Plymouth Reliant died last year. The local garage
    guy said he put in a new ignitor. It worked and didn't cost
    a lot, so I didn't worry about except that I thought to myself,
    "What the hell is an ignitor?"

    Apparently, it is what you call left-over ignition parts that
    you don't have any other name for.
     
    Al Smith, Jan 22, 2004
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  11. Jason Faas

    Caroline Guest

    Honda is certainly not the only car manufacturer that uses ignitors (= igniters
    = ignition control module).

    I see igniters listed online for sale for 1984 Plymouth Reliants. E.g. see
    http://www.plymouthpartstore.com/ , which says they have them for $79 for the
    smaller, 2.2 liter engine and over $135 for the larger, 2.6 liter engine (not
    counting shipping costs).

    This particular site calls the part "ignition control module," but I bet the
    exact same part for your car is also routinely called "igniter" or "ignitor."

    Lots on the net on the subject...
     
    Caroline, Jan 22, 2004
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  12. Jason Faas

    HyDr0 Guest

     
    HyDr0, Feb 5, 2004
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  13. Jason Faas

    HyDr0 Guest

    as far as i know igniters cannot be fixed but they are not very expensive
    and can be easily replaced if u are good with your hands in tight spaces you
    will be fine i did mine on my 91 civic in under 45 minutes. after replacing
    all wires and checking the coil and replacing the cap and rotor
     
    HyDr0, Feb 5, 2004
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  14. Jason Faas

    Pailyn Guest

    You can almost fix anything but at what cost? An igniter is actually quite
    expensive in my opinion. They go for about $100 each for that little
    critter. I've replaced three of those in the past 12 years. I believe the
    cost to try to get a bad one fixed is going to be more than it costs to buy
    a new one.

    I now keep a spare one and a spare coil in my trunk just in case.

     
    Pailyn, Feb 5, 2004
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  15. Jason Faas

    Jim Yanik Guest

    IMO,if you could find out what component inside is failing,you could
    substitute a more robust device(I'm betting a semiconductor is the
    failure),save money,and not have to replace it any more.

    Or all it may need is the addition of a diode to block the flyback
    spike,and protect the switching transistor.(like in a TV)
     
    Jim Yanik, Feb 5, 2004
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  16. Jason Faas

    HyDr0 Guest

    when i replaced mine i took the old one and beat the hell out of it with a
    hammer because of all the trouble. looks like it wont be fixed now huh
     
    HyDr0, Feb 7, 2004
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