Can you pushstart MT 1991 Civic?

Discussion in 'Civic' started by r2000swler, Mar 11, 2005.

  1. r2000swler

    r2000swler Guest

    I only ask because looking at the ECM PRG-EFI relay it
    sure looks like it would be rather difficult to do.
    Anone done it?
    Just thinking about the time my starter died in my
    1981 Subaru 4WD. I was parked on a hill, so it was easy
    to slip it into reverse, roll backwards and pop the clutch.
    I suspect you would have to get a Civic up to speed, pop
    the clutch and turn the ignition switch all at about the
    same time.

    I may have posted this smae header with no text, blame
    Google Beta.
    Terry
     
    r2000swler, Mar 11, 2005
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  2. r2000swler

    Chopface Guest

    I've done it a few times after leaving my lights on and draining the
    battery. Just have they key in the normal running position and 'pop' the
    clutch. The 'pop' can be fairly gentle, you don't have to totally 'dump'
    it.

    The owner's manual tells you not to do this though. My guess is that it
    may be a little hard on the cat. because some raw fuel might go through
    the engine unburned. I'm sure someone will explain for sure why its not
    the best for your car.

    Mark
     
    Chopface, Mar 11, 2005
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  3. r2000swler

    ycleptor2 Guest

    I've push-started a 90 prelude 2.0 Si with no problem.

    And many times an 84 Jetta GLi.

    Cheers,
    Mike Davis
     
    ycleptor2, Mar 11, 2005
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  4. r2000swler

    Randolph Guest

    You need to have the ignition in "RUN", just like when push-starting any
    other car. No need to put the ignition in "Start". As you release the
    clutch, the engine will start turning (firing or not) and the sensors in
    the distributor will tell the ECU that the engine is turning. The ECU
    will then turn the fuel pump back on. There is usually enough residual
    pressure in the fuel system to get the car started before the fuel pump
    starts running.

    If the battery voltage is 0, you probably will not be able to push start
    the car. Alternators need battery voltage to start delivering power.
    Older DC generators could pull themselves up by the boot straps.
     
    Randolph, Mar 11, 2005
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  5. r2000swler

    motsco_ _ Guest


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    If there's enough juice to make the interior light glow (even a tiny
    bit) just put it in second, turn on the key (fuel pump will hopefully be
    able to pressurize the rail), let it roll to walking speed, then let the
    clutch out sharply, then immediately back in. You only want to turn it
    over, and if you leave the clutch out, it can't start very well. With
    this method, I drove an old Volvo all summer without a starter. I could
    start it in the length of two empty curbside parking spots (had to):)

    P.S. I was a teenager, and tried to always have somebody along for the ride.

    'Curly'
     
    motsco_ _, Mar 11, 2005
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  6. r2000swler

    Mista Bone Guest

    if PGM-FI (main relay) is dead, no push starting is gonna help!!!!!!!!!!

    But if you ever need to bump start, use 2nd gear!!!!!!!!!!

    Even on level ground, I was able to bump start my 93 Civic. My case was too
    big of a stereo 8-9 years ago.
     
    Mista Bone, Mar 15, 2005
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  7. r2000swler

    TeGGer® Guest



    No, you can turn the ignition on first, then do the push thing. As Mista
    Bone says, use 2nd gear.

    The main relay supplies voltage to the fuel pump as long as the ECU sees
    that the engine is *turning* and the ignition is on. It reads the pulses
    from the Crank Angle Sensor inside the distributor to know this. The engine
    does not actually have to be *running*.

    There is a secondary (redundant) power feed for the fuel pump that is only
    activated when the ignition switch start contacts are closed, but this does
    not affect the primary feed through IG1.

    Now if the battery were totally dead and the car had not been run for a few
    days, would you have trouble bump-starting the car unless enough fuel were
    still in the fuel rail to allow the engine to fire?
     
    TeGGer®, Mar 15, 2005
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  8. r2000swler

    Abeness Guest

    Why 2nd? I assume it has to do with gear ratios or something, but it
    would be nice to know something a tad more specific.

    Also, would reverse work all right, if, say, one were stuck facing
    forward on an uphill (as I am on my block)?

    Abe
     
    Abeness, Mar 15, 2005
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  9. r2000swler

    TeGGer® Guest



    The gearing makes it easier for the wheels to turn the engine.


    First or reverse will work too.
     
    TeGGer®, Mar 16, 2005
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  10. r2000swler

    SoCalMike Guest

    2nd is the general "crawling" gear. 1st would likely be doable, but if
    it doesnt catch, itll lurch a lot! 2nd is more matched to the speed
    youll be pushing the car.
    sure. ive popped the clutch on my 98 in reverse, and it started. lurched
    a bit, tho. likely a lower gear ratio than 1st.
     
    SoCalMike, Mar 16, 2005
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  11. r2000swler

    Abeness Guest

    Thanks, guys.
     
    Abeness, Mar 16, 2005
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  12. Also, if someone is pushing, it prevents them from denting your trunk
    lid with their head.
     
    Gordon McGrew, Mar 18, 2005
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  13. r2000swler

    Abeness Guest

    LOL!
     
    Abeness, Mar 18, 2005
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