Car safety stats (risk of death vs risk of killing other drivers)

According to Consumer Reports reliability survey, Land Rovers are the
most unreliable vehicle on American roads. Chrysler is second.

 

Heh! You think that's bad, look at another loon that is an "advisor."


http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D97ECHLG1&show_article=1


Yep, the biggest scam goin' that makes Madoff look like a child's toy...

JT

 

we already have storage. the only way to make it "secure" is to reprocess.

re-read what i wrote - direct your energies productively. write your
representatives. believe it or not, unless you rant like a wing-nut,
they /do/ listen because, much as they dislike having to deal with this
fact, they depend on votes. assuming you're /allowed/ to vote.

 

No,that's incorrect. Putting nuclear waste under Yucca Mtn secures it.
the current practice of storage in pools on-site is not very secure.

and even what's left over from reprocessing would require storage
somewhere.Like they do in France,who reprocesses their waste.

My representatives are now Democrats and they don't listen.they stick to
the party line.
I wrote Mel Martinez about Eric Holder's nomination,and he blew me off.
(he's lame-duck,decided to not run again)

Beam,you keep on proving you're a twit.

 

That's got nothing to do with what you originally said. You said oil
is not a "finite" resource. It is. Even if you opened up drilling in
the US, ANWAR and off shore, you'd still only buy yourself 10 years or
so. That's good. 10 Years is lots of time to develop a new source,
but if we are going well, you know the new source will NOT happen. We
never seem to innovate until necessity rears it's ugly head...

As far as WHY the oil prices went up, it's a complex issue. First,
there were several fields shut down, restricting supply. Second,
futures traders were betting heavily on more supply problems, causing
demand to shoot up (they basically bought the oil and held it back).
Third, the Oil companies were willing accomplices. They want to know
just how high the price has to go before we start griping. They have
their answer, and now prices will slowly rise back into the $3 range.

Most families have more than one car in the US. Most people never
travel more than 40 miles form home. There's an interesting statistic
that's always used by "safety" nuts: Most accidents happen within 25
miles of home. Well, duh. Most people in the US do 99% of their
driving within that range. If they are going to have an accident,
it's going to be in that range.

Metering electrical outlets is a trivial process. It would cost truck
stops and rest stops about $100/outlet to add a metering system. It
could probably be a fully automated system (with credit card swipe,
etc) for under $250. It takes about 45 minutes to fully charge a
Tesla. You pull in to a service center, plug in the car, swipe your
card, then go sit and eat. When it's done charging, the meter stop,
you get your receipt and unplug the car. Off you go.

And the draw for the charge is trivial. About 8 Amps. Using a
standard business service (around 200 Amps) a restaurant could easily
charge up 20 cars at a time.

Would this require more power generation? Of course. But isn't that
the other thing we are discussing?

 

A Volt is a 100% plug-in electric car. It is not a hybrid. Chevy
included the small engine as an afterthought, and it does not drive
the car, it only charges the battery. For standard commuting of under
40 miles per day, the engine never even gets turned on.

The batteries operate better under such stress. Lithium Ion batteries
are ideal for electric vehicles.

Tesla isn't going to be some big success. I don't even think they
expect to be. They are a vehicle for change. They are developing
high-end technology. After a few years, that technology then filters
down to the rest of the market. That's how innovation works.

Nuclear energy is completely benign, so long as it is treated with
respect. Using France's model (never thought I'd say such a thing),
Nuclear reactors are safer and cleaner than coal or oil plants.

And Solar panels will not replace the grid, nor will they eliminate a
person's need for external supply of electricity. But, if each
household had a 1500 Watt Panel or two, the stress on the grid would
be reduced by orders of magnatude. There is likely not one single
answer to our energy problems. The answer will come from a variety of
technologies that will work together to clean up the mess.

 

NY.

 

er, no. and you evidently didn't bother to read what i said.

guess i must be wasting time with you!

 

and can't afford to replace any of them.
Often the 2nd car is a beater.

"NEVER"?? hyperbole.

and where does this data come from?
How long does it take for the owner to recoup their investment?

I note that it's all "it would" and "probably".....kinda like the "if only
there were no guns" nonsense the anti-gunners spout constantly.

Using a 220V high power outlet.

Heh,there aren't any around,just like hydrogen refueling stations.

8 amps at 220V for 45 minutes is not a lot of charge.
I suspect it's not anywhere near a full charge for your Tesla.

except that Oblama and the DemocRATs are moving us AWAY from that surplus
of power generation.While making the cost of petrol higher,and needing to
be imported from questionable foreign sources.

 

Coal from start to finish has killed FAR more people than Western nuclear
power generation for the same time frame.
and done FAR more harm to the environment.

A "1500 watt panel or two" ? "by orders of magnitude"?? hyperbole.

 

No one is looking to have this done by tomorrow, or next year. It is
a process that will take years. Notice how many cars are left on the
road that require leaded gasoline?

Not hyperbole, simple fact. The statistics are readily available.
The average mileage in the US is somewhere around 14,000 miles per
year. That equates to an average of about 38 miles per day. Most
people use their car to commute to and from work, perhaps pick up the
kids from soccer practice, and run to the local grocer. These people
that you assume cannot buy a new car, or a second car, are not driving
hundreds of miles per day or going on constant vacations...

What data? The cost to buy an electrical meter? The cost for a
credit card machine? Or do you mean the cost for this combination
machine that doesn't exist yet, but will quickly materialize once
there is a need for it? The technology is already there, and rather
affordable, some smart company will just have to package it.

Not long at all. Weeks or months. AAMOF, even if the device cost
$1000 each, it would only need to have a couple dozen cars use it for
a charge before it has paid for itself.

Ahhh. So what you are saying is that you have no imagination, and
America is incapable of developing simple technologies?

220V is not "high power". 220V is available everywhere in the
country, and the power from it does not cost any more than from a 110
Line..

You have one right at your house, much unlike Hydrogen.

You'd be suspecting wrong...

When talking about things that don't exist yet, the people that effect
real change are not those that try to come up with reasons why it
won't work...

 

Are you smoking crack or are you simply obtuse?

A 1500 Watt panel isn't all that expensive. And yes, if even half of
the homes in the US had one panel, it would be a significant reduction
in the draw on the grid.

You do seem to love the word hyperbole, though...

 

Most probably, Land Rovers are crap over here too, and they've more
service stations than do the Jeep network.

 

"never" is an absolute,and inaccurate,to say the least.

you crack me up with your baseless assumptions.

you're extremely naive.

Now I KNOW you're full of crap; "couple of dozen cars use it before it's
paid for itself"

That's all you have is "imagination",nothing else.

By "high power",I mean capable of sourcing high current.

But NOWHERE else.
There's no "electric stations" or "recharging stations" existing for people
to recharge electrics other than at home.
and people DO use their cars more than 40 miles from home,despite your
incorrect assumptions.

8A x 220V= 1760 watts,for only 3/4 of an hour,= 1320 watt-hours.
That's a mighty weak battery pack,or one HELL of an efficient electric
motor.

I never said it "won't work",just that it's not practical,that the
necessary infrastructure is -not in place-,and it would take a long time
for that to occur.
Without the infrastructure,few people are going to commit to an electric
auto.
Until there's a sufficient market for "recharging stations",there will be
few businesses willing to pay to install them.
and fewer will be willing to supply free electric in the meantime.

 

because you're FULL of it.
Do you think a 1500 watt panel puts out 1500 watts all the time the sun
hits it? Or that it's output doesn't decrease the dirtier it gets?
How often do you think a homeowner is willing to clean it?

dust,pollen,tree sap,etc. THINK about it.

It seems YOU are the one smoking crack...and dreaming.

 

BTW,many power utilities charge MORE (a higher KWH rate)for KWH over some
baseline amount. (Mine is 1000 KWH/month.)

I checked Tesla's website,and THEY say it takes 3.5 hrs for a full
charge...using their special Tesla High Power Connector,supplying 70A at
240VAC.
The battery pack is a 53 KWH pack.

so,your claim of 45 minutes charge time and 8A source is BULL.
It's clear you don't know what you're talking about.

20 cars x 70A= 1400A!

that's a substantial investment for equipment,and a lot of extra power
required.

AND,other brands of car may not use the same high power connector,so there
would have to be more equipment expense or some standard adapted,and that's
gonna take time.

This is what's called "considering the realities"....

 

You mean by 20v to 30v lower than E.U. Which is between 220v and 250v
depending on country?

 

Perhaps Prizms had a higher percentage of rental cars than Corollas?

Rental cars are more likely to be driven by drivers unfamiliar with
both the car and local driving laws and conditions.

 

I don't think that is true. It is probably true that 80-90% of
driving is done in that range.

The only context I have ever heard the safety "nuts" make that claim
is in regards to why you should always wear your seatbelt (i.e. not
just on long trips.) Do you really think that is "nuts"? Sounds like
pretty sound advice to me. Is the statistic somehow misleading?
Possibly in some ways, but not really. Anyone with half a brain can
figure out why the statistic is true, but it doesn't make the advice
any less valid.

 

I would guess a 110V system like that would cost no more than a couple
thousand. The problem is that it would take hours (essentially
overnight) to fully recharge an electric car on 110v.

I'm not sure what you mean by high power, but it certainly wouldn't be
a simple electric range outlet.

I also wonder how many times you can do that 45 minute charge before
the batteries are toast.