carburetors that allow you to drive 1000+ miles to the gallon

I was just reading this story about a carburetor that can make a car
run a thousand miles to a gallon, but the automobile industry paid off
the investors with millions of dollars to secure those patents, and
then burired those patents and never used the technology?

But the thing is it would cost the automotive industry billions of
dollars in profits. Now thats very messed up, but I don't blame them.
They want money!

What role does a carburetor have anyways? honestly, is there anyway a
carburetor could allow us to burn our gas slowly, so we could save gas,
but still be able to drive at our road speeds? and have gas last much
longer?

Very interesting stuff

 

I don't see how a carburetor alone could increase mileage by that
extraordinary amount, but I do know about, and have heard of, that the
technology exists to make V8 engines get over 100 MPG, and like you
said, the oil and auto industries paid off the inventors to keep them
quiet. Where did you see this information about this carburetor?

Jonathan

P.S. I read something in Car & Driver Magazine a few years ago that
Honda invented a 4-cylinder engine that could produce 900HP, but there
is no clutch or transmission that will bolt onto a 4-cylinder engine
block that could handle that much power. Also, of course, there is no
way it could be street-legal.

 

Yeah, well like I say all the time anything is possible. Anyways, in
United States we have millions of engeers, and many other countries do
too, but we have the most. Anyhow, I know damn well they have a way to
make our cars use less gas and oil, but look how high these gas prices
are? I mean come on the people who invest in oil companies are making
millions of dollars with their shares of stock. I remember when I was
in Atlanta, Ga visiting the gas there was only, and quote me on it,
only 67 cents a gallon!!!

Gasoline will never in the history of man be .67 cents a gallon, and we
are only taking about 1997. That's only 8 years ago.

Gas prices probably from the 1960's to 1990's were always in the two
digit number in the south I bet. That's 30 years of cheap gas, and now
look at it, BAM its $2.90 a gallon!

The problem is the automobile industry is the largest in the country.
It's great that people got jobs, but hell, these guys who own these
companies are actually just having people lose their job. Thousands of
good hard-working-busting-their-ass guys have worked, and lost their
jobs. The automobile industry, must have a contract with the oil
industry, and do a lot of ass kissing for eachother, so they can both
enjoy the billions.

Wow, a 4-cylinder engine that could produce 900HP it's possible, just
look at computers. Back in 1993 I had my first computer that was a AMD
K2 155MHZ Processor with about 2gb hdd, and back in those days it was
the shit. Now 12 years later we have 3GIG processors, and the
supercomputers are even quicker.

If you can make a simple processor, and keep it pretty much the exact
same as it was before, but just overclock it over and over. It's
possible to make a 4 cylinder engine have 900 horses in it or have a V8
get 100 miles to the gallon. It's possible, but THEY just don't want us
to know about it.

Where did you see this information about this carburetor? (It's not
information your find on the internet websites, because if you did they
would be sued by the automobile industry in minutes. I am reading a
book called " Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About" It's a
great book, and sadly, it's just about all true.

 

Sorry, the conspiracy theorists have hoodwinked you once again.

Simple physics says there is NO way you could ever achieve 1000mpg with ANY
gasoline (or diesel, or propane, or...) technology as long as approximately
80% of the energy is lost to heat and friction.

You cannot "bury" a patent. Every patent ever granted is accessible to the
public at the various Patent Offices in various countries. I've been
through stacks and stacks of them for customer projects.

You should try to be a bit more skeptical. GM is LOSING money. don't you
think they'd spring something like this on the market if they could?

Carburetors don't burn gas, engines do. Carburetors only mix gas with air
and send it on its way down a long pipe. You need a certain minimum mixture
of gas and air to have proper combustion, or any kind of combustion at all
for that matter.

Carburetors are very inefficient compared to fuel injection, and for
fundamental reasons it is impossible for them to meet current and future
emissions and fuel economy regulations.

 

They've never been lower than they are now, mopa.

Tax levels and currency debasement confuse the numbers.

Either your memory is /seriously/ faulty or you came across a station
having one of those mega-sales that the oil companies won't pay them for.

In 1995 I paid an average of about $1.80 US per US gallon (I have all my
gas fillups listed in a book).

 

Uh-huh.
Honda invented the engine, but couldn't figure out how to build a
transmission? Pul-leeze.

The turbocharged F1 cars of the early '80's put down 1500 BHP from 1.5 litre
four cylinders.

 

Hi Tegger,

Oh no, I am just trying to learn a little, and your always very
helpful. I am glad that there is someone on the group that knows so
much.

Anyways, back in 1997 I came down to visit my sister in Atlanta,
Georgia and at the time I didn't drive. I was only 17 years old at the
time, so that is why I remember there is a QT and a BP gas station
where she lived at the time and the gas was only 67 cents, and I swear
I never seen gas so damn cheap in my life.

I am originally from Milwaukee, and gas is always about 90 cents
cheaper than it is in Chicago as Chicago is one of the most expensive
cities for gas. Even growing up as a kid gas always used to be about
1.25/1.60 in the low/mid 90's, but that is also when you could buy a
gallon of milk for $2 dollars and some change.

Anyways, I was amazed how cheap the gas was here in Georgia. My ex's
father actually is the Director of the Department of Energy, so if
anyone knows anything about Gasoline prices or anything to do with
energy costs, hes the guy to ask. Basically, out of all the states
Georgia has the cheapest Taxes on Gasoline.

What most people don't know, that for every gallon of gasoline, about
75 cents of it is just the tax. Talk about a lot of money being just
paid for tax.

Today the cheapest gas price is $1.98 a gallon, and the national
average is $2.30, so I guess we are doing pretty good.

 

What amazes me is what people are willing to pay for water. A 500 mL bottle
at $1.00 makes the price to be $7.57/gallon. Now that's pretty steep!

Eric

 

I was at the Ford plant in Hapeville in 1998. Gas was nowhere near 67¢,
trust me on that.

And do you know...why?

There are regional regulations involving oxygenation and reformulation.
These tend to jack up prices. Then there are local tax laws.

I haven't been to Chicago since about the mid-'90s, and I don't remember
what the gas price was there then.

http://www.aip.com.au/pricing/oecd.htm

 

Mmmm, that's strange. I have all the gas records for my 1993 Accord.
Until November of 2004. it spent its first 11 years of life in New
Jersey. In 1995 we paid between $1.00 and $1.15 per gallon(U.S. $'s) and
ss late as March 1999 we paid as little as $0.859. That was in extreme
Northern NJ near the NY state border,
Rich

 

----- Original Message -----
From: "mopa" <>
Newsgroups: alt.autos.honda
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: carburetors that allow you to drive 1000+ miles to the gallon

If you really feel that way, you should buy stock in oil companies.

Mike

 

I canna change the laws of physics, Cap'n! It isn't the carburetor or engine
that allows higher fuel economy, but the design of the vehicle. A bicycle
could probably get several hundred mpg, but a car as we know it has too much
drag.

The by-the-ways show up in discussions of hybrid cars all the time. We have
a 2002 Toyota Prius, and it does indeed get as much as 50 mpg or slightly
more in town. But an amazing number of factors can eat into that. Short
trips can knock the average economy below 40 mpg (there is a display for
trip mpg, 5 minute interval mpg, and "immediate" mpg). The A/C or defroster
has about the same effect. Last winter I rolled the windows down and turned
the heater on high to see what effect it had, and the next five minute bar
dropped from about 40 mpg to 25 mpg! The car gets 65 mpg at 60 mph (no A/C
on) and 45 mpg at 75 mph. When the edge is that fine it takes very little to
dull it.

Mike

 

Fuel economy has improved from maybe 12 mpg to 25-35 mpg over the past
75 or so years. Don't you think it's ridiculous for the next jump in
efficiency to be to 1000 mpg?

Assuming that a car *can* get 1000 mpg, what do you think that will do
to its performance? Zero to 60 in five minutes.

I can understand why the oil industry would want to thwart
fuel-efficient cars, but why the auto industry? Does not make sense.

Carburetors are not efficient, period. Fuel-injector cars do not have
them at all. The best improvement that was ever made to a carburetor to
increase its fuel efficiency was to eliminate it.

 

A bunch of urban legend BS. Your time would be better spent studying
the laws of thermodynamics instead of reading unsubstantianed crap.

John

 

Actually electronics surpassed automobiles some time ago.

You are a naive fool, plump for the picking by any conspiracy theory or
crackpot of the hour. Unfortunately, history is chock full of gullible
masses.

John

 

Rich,

Yeah, I remember. Back in 2000 I was in NYC for Christmas, and gas was
only about $1.26 and that is pretty cheap for New York.

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TeGGeR, gas is always more in Hapeville, which is right outside Forest
Park. Hapeville is where the Atlanta Airport is located, and the gas is
always cheaper.

Say right now in Hapeville if the gas is $2.30, in north Georgia near
the smaller cities gas ia about $2.05

It's very weird how they setup those gas prices, but they do.

 

Be nice now John.

So Michael, that means by going slowing in your car, you actually save
more gas huh? I just assumed if everyone drove the same MPG for a long
distance we would all save gas.

Say, if you drove non-stop on the express way going 70MPH for 1 hour or
drove 55MPH for 1 hour, of course you would get where ever your going
quicker going 70, but because you drove non-stop, at the same miles per
hour, without stop and going. Your car continuously was traveling at
the same steady speed, would both speeds use the same amount of
gasoline?

 

Even more interesting:

www.snopes.com

Pagan

 

I don't think I described it clearly. I've driven the 55 and 65 mph
stretches long enough to get several 5 minute readings on the display (known
to be about 4% optimistic in our Prius) and compared those to the readings
from our 75 mph trips.

No doubt about it - the best average mpg comes from keeping a constant
speed, and as low a speed as practical. Air resistance is really a big
factor. But varying speeds gives the worst of both worlds: higher speeds
burn gasoline you won't get back and lower speeds burn time you won't get
back.

Mike

 

Specifically http://www.snopes.com/autos/business/carburetor.asp

It's also worth noting that US patents expire after 17 years (non-renewable,
unlike copyrights), and patents are not binding outside the countries in
which they are registered. Any such carburetor would be in the public domain
by now, and we would have seen them being made various places overseas -
even if they could not be imported while the patent was in effect.

Mike