carburetors that allow you to drive 1000+ miles to the gallon

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by mopa, Jul 10, 2005.

  1. mopa

    flobert Guest

    cheapest gas in that area is a short drive away. The quik-trip on US19
    in jonesboro (jump on I75 to Exit235, and follow US19/41 for about 2
    miles. it was 2.03 iirc on friday
    Its 2.12/gallon in central georgia, in the
    griffin/barenesville/thomaston area. Cheaper still around the
    Thomasville area, just in georgia on the florida border.
     
    flobert, Jul 11, 2005
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  2. mopa

    flobert Guest

    Car computers are very variable. Nowhere is this better illustrated,
    than on Top gear a year or two ago, when the presenter drove an Audi
    A8 from london to edinburgh and back on a single tank (thats around
    400 miles, in a 4l V8 twin turbo diesel). Not only did the computer
    say he was low on fuel too early, but that he'd completely run out
    around milton keynes, an hour or so short.
    low a speed as practical is not true. It comes from keeping at the
    peak torque point. I used to do economy runs in my old volvo, its most
    efficient speed was 58mph, because that was how the gearing worked out
    to be the engines peak torque point, in the top gear. now, you could
    actually cheat a bit and extend it, by going right behind a HGV (semi
    for the americans) and holding steady at their limited speed 9usually
    about 62-63mph). I think i managed to get about 55-60mpg from my volvo
    in this way, thats in a 15yo car, with 4 passengers. Peak torque rpm
    point is always the point where the engine works most efficiently.
    thats how come its the peak torque point.
     
    flobert, Jul 11, 2005
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  3. mopa

    K Guest

    There's more to it than that, gearing and powerbands make a
    difference. Fuel consumption's finite, it'll take a certain amount of
    energy to maintain any speed. Reduced wind and rolling resistance
    will reduce the energy needed, then it's just to how efficient the
    engine is at that RPM in converting fuel to energy.

    I used to get 34MPG at 70MPH with a 1962 Oldsmobile F-85 with a 215 V8
    and a 4bbl carburetor.

    Most cars today can't get that sort of mileage with fuel injection and
    half the cylinders. So much for 40 years of engineering.
     
    K, Jul 12, 2005
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  4. mopa

    K Guest

    I think most would agree that California has the worst of these.

    In February, 1998 in San Diego the average was $1.29 according to
    http://www.fueltracker.com/whitepaper8-98/gasfinal.html.

    Cheap fuel was a largely ignored economic factor through most of the
    90's. I remember news stories about gasoline prices below a dollar in
    GA.

    I don't personally recall anything less than $1.09 locally, but we
    only have three supplying refineries and two companies running those,
    so competition's not keen.
     
    K, Jul 12, 2005
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  5. Computers in carbureted cars and older injected cars have a lot of variables
    (especially analog transducers to measure air or fuel flow), but the
    computers in modern injected cars are very accurate - more accurate than
    calculating on the basis of one or two fill-ups. The ECU knows exactly how
    long it is opening the injectors (how many crystal-controlled clock cycles),
    and exactly how often. The distance comes from the VSS in exactly the same
    accuracy the car's odometer has, so the only variables are fuel pressure and
    injector lag. Prius owners have reported errors ranging from 2% to a shade
    over 5% optimistic. (Interesting that none report their displays being
    pessimistic.) I don't recall any saying their display was 10% or more off
    the actual unless they were comparing a single tank based on when the pump
    clicked off.

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, Jul 15, 2005
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  6. mopa

    Matt Ion Guest

    Any fuel has a certain amount of stored potential energy. Burning that
    fuel can release that much energy and no more. It takes a given amount
    of energy to move a given amount of weight. A fancy carburetor can't
    get more energy out of the fuel than it already contains, or reduce the
    amount needed to move the car.

    Usually you get a substantial amount less power out because of improper
    combustion, and improved combustion can make for more efficient energy
    production, but not THAT much more efficient.
    CHAMP cars (the open-wheel racers used by CART) use a 2.65 liter V-8 (8
    cylinders, but barely more displacement than my Accord) that get around
    750hp. They burn straight methanol tho...
     
    Matt Ion, Sep 3, 2005
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