Click and Clack ( mirror adjustment )

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by tflfb, Oct 19, 2003.

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    tflfb Guest

    Seen this article in the newspaper Saturday regarding adjusting your mirrors
    on your car. To eliminate blind spots, what do ya think, anyone driveing
    like this?

    http://cartalk.cars.com/
     
    tflfb, Oct 19, 2003
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    Dick Watson Guest

    Yes. I'm a true believer. Many cars with power mirrors won't let the mirrors
    go out far enough for my tastes. It's the first thing I check when test
    driving a car I'm thinking about buying. Pick something fairly far back on
    the far left side of the center mirror. Move the left mirror until that same
    thing is in the far right side of the left mirror. Repeat reversed for the
    right side. Try it for a week to get used to it. Then report back.
     
    Dick Watson, Oct 19, 2003
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    harrison Guest

    Seems too complicated and eliminates view along side, useful in parking
    lots.

    Simple solution is to get a small cheap wide angle mirror and put it on the
    left side mirror. Gives complete left lane coverage and view along side.
    Right side mirror usually is convex with wide view so does not need any
    help. The hard part is remembering to look in the mirrors.

    Dave
     
    harrison, Oct 19, 2003
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    dc Guest

    I'm a firm believer in this. Eliminates having to turn your head for
    shoulder checks, but relies on peripheral vision and awareness of
    course.

    Learned it in an advanced driving course, and have used it since. The
    way I aim them is not as precise as on the web page, but quick and
    doesn't need a target to aim against:

    - aim the rear view mirror so you can see (through) the entire rear
    window
    - put your head almost against the driver's side window, aim the side
    view mirror such that you can see along the edge of the car at the
    edge of the mirror
    - lean towards the middle of the car, and do the same with the
    passenger side window

    One person mentioned that this method prevents seeing the side of the
    car when parking. I have to disagree - you can still see the side of
    the car by leaning towards one of the mirrors.
     
    dc, Oct 19, 2003
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  5. Another system:
    1. With vehicle parked in nice open spot, place yourself away from the
    left-hand side of car, somewhat beyond the rear.. You then move to your left
    until you can't see the rear-view mirror. Have a helper stand in that spot
    as you adjust the driver-side mirror to the extent that he/she is
    comfortably visible in that mirror, left side of vehicle remaining visible.
    You may have to use a bit of imagination to visualize the extent an
    oncoming/passing vehicle would appear in this scenario, recognizing that
    practice makes perfect.. Do the same on right side of vehicle for adjusting
    passenger-side mirror.
    3. Using all three mirrors now, one should have a reasonably good view of
    all that is to the rear of the car, or passing.
    4. Check it all out next time on four-lane highway.
    5. Anything that works though, right?

    Richard
     
    Richard W. Palmer, Oct 19, 2003
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  6. Been doing it ever since that article first came out, and I wouldn't
    think of changing it. It's incredibly useful.
     
    Elmo P. Shagnasty, Oct 19, 2003
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    Al Smith Guest

    Yes.

    It is a simple application of intellect -- something these two are pretty
    good at.
     
    Al Smith, Oct 20, 2003
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    Paul Guest

    : Seen this article in the newspaper Saturday regarding adjusting your
    mirrors
    : on your car. To eliminate blind spots, what do ya think, anyone driveing
    : like this?
    :
    : http://cartalk.cars.com/
    :
    No way. When I was 15, my father taught me never to trust my mirrors and
    always to turn my head and look before changing lanes. It's always worked
    for me -- not gonna stop now.

    Paul
     
    Paul, Oct 20, 2003
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    Dick Watson Guest

    I was taught to do both. Adjusting the mirrors this way makes the mirror
    part more effective.
     
    Dick Watson, Oct 20, 2003
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  10. Once you've adjusted your mirrors and have seen this work, you'll change
    your mind. You can see the car in you rear view mirror; as it
    disappears from there, it appears in the side mirror. As it disappears
    from the side mirror, it appears in your peripheral vision right next to
    you.

    At no time is the car beside you out of your vision when you adjust your
    mirrors like this.
     
    Elmo P. Shagnasty, Oct 20, 2003
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    Duran Guest

    I have been setting my side mirrors like this ever since I started driving.
    Mainly, I drove like this because my Dad did it as well. I don't know why
    he did it or who he learned it from, because this was well before the
    article was written or even before the Internet was used en masse. Well, I
    could not drive any other way now. I have over 10 years of multi long
    trips, long distance highway commutes, and I have never been in a single
    accident or sideswipe. I like this way so much that any car I am
    considering purchasing must pass the "can the side mirrors angle out far
    enough" test. This is a strict test, if the car won't pass it, I will not
    buy it. I would highly recommend to use this technique. It is much safer,
    much more efficient, and overall it really makes much more sense.
     
    Duran, Oct 20, 2003
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    Duran Guest

    :
    That's how almost everyone else was taught too. As I said in an above post,
    I have driven with my side mirrors angled out ever since I started driving.
    I also do not shoulder check at all, there is no need.

    You may be singing a different tune if either one of two things happens to
    you:

    1) Someone in front of you on the highway decides to slam on their brakes a
    split-second after you decide to look backwards going 70+ MPH (IE, trying to
    pass them). You get a big surprise when you start looking forward again.
    With the technique mentioned, you never have to take your eyes off of the
    road in front of you, this is much safer. While moving your eyes to either
    side mirror (which can be done a lot faster than the fastest of shoulder
    checks), your peripheral vision will still allow you to notice brake lights,
    speed differences, objects in roadway, etc.

    2) In any kind of emergency situation in which a lane change would be the
    only way to avoid an accident, you will either have to shift lanes quickly
    without shoulder checking and pray no one is in that lane, or you will have
    to hit whatever is in front of you. In a lot of situations, you won't have
    time to do both. Shoulder checking takes way to long.
     
    Duran, Oct 20, 2003
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    mrdancer Guest

    driving.

    Same with me, been doing it for almost 20 years (and I'm only 35). I didn't
    learn it from my Dad, though (he doesn't even wear seatbelts!). I read it
    in Car&Driver or MotorTrend back in the early 80s and thought it made pretty
    good sense then (I was big into car magazines as a teenager).
     
    mrdancer, Oct 20, 2003
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    MikeHunt2 Guest

    The technique they teach in advanced driver training schools,
    like those for police officers, is to monitor your mirrors at ALL
    times. In other words you should KNOW what is behind you and
    aside of you at ALL times so you can act immediately in a
    situation WITHOUT the need to first check you mirrors. Another
    is to look as far down the road as you can see, rather than at
    the traffic just ahead. Once you get used to doing that you will
    find your are reacting to situations by slowing and braking well
    before some drivers in front are reacting.



    mike hunt
     
    MikeHunt2, Oct 21, 2003
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    TL Guest

    This is absolutely true. In an emergency there's not any time to even
    check mirrors much less look over your shoulder.

    One point of notice is that race cars generally mount their mirrors
    far out on the fenders. This accomplishes two things. First it all but
    eliminates blind spots on the sides. Second, you literally can see the
    mirrors while you are looking forward. You see movement in the mirrors
    even if you are focusing on them. I used to have these types of
    mirrors on a MG years ago and they work really well. (And you can use
    flat mirrors on both sides giving you better depth reading than convex
    mirrors. Some people did put convex mirrors out on the fenders to
    really provide a broad view, though.)

    Why are they gone? Some guesses. Adjustable mirrors initially required
    physical connections which would have been complicated to do on the
    fender (not an issue with power, of course). Second, it was much more
    affected by changing styles than the mirrors mounted on the doors. Not
    sure why else.
     
    TL, Oct 21, 2003
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    Brian Smith Guest

    My tractor that I drive has mirrors mounted on it's fenders, makes quite the
    difference when you have the extra view planes. As you say, you see what's
    going on around you without having to turn your head. Makes life that much
    easier/safer. Especially when you've got seven mirrors to work with. Keep
    your eyes moving and you'll not miss a thing.
     
    Brian Smith, Oct 21, 2003
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