Consider buying American!

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by buydomestic, Feb 12, 2008.

  1. buydomestic

    buydomestic Guest

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/

    GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest
    ever annual loss for a US automaker.

    The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support
    they need, they are going to go under. Consider buying an American
    car.

    Here are some American models recommended in the 2007 Consumer Reports
    Annual Auto Issue:

    Buick Lacrosse
    Buick Lucerne
    Cadillac CTS
    Cadillac CTS-V
    Cadillac DTS
    Chevrolet HHR
    Chevrolet Impala
    Chevrolet Malibu
    Chevrolet Tahoe
    Chrysler 300
    Chrysler PT Cruiser
    Dodge Durango
    Ford Five Hundred
    Ford Focus
    Ford Freestyle
    Ford Fusion
    GMC Yukon
    Jeep Liberty
    Lincoln MKZ
    Lincoln Town Car
    Mercury Milan
    Mercury Montego
    Pontiac G6
    Pontiac Torrent
     
    buydomestic, Feb 12, 2008
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  2. buydomestic

    Jeff Guest

    What about Toyotas and Hondas made in America?

    What the Ford Fusion, made in Mexico?

    Shouldn't the Michigan 3 make their vehicles relevant to me rather than
    the other way around?

    Jeff
     
    Jeff, Feb 12, 2008
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  3. buydomestic

    buydomestic Guest

    Toyota and Honda assemble cars all over the world, but the profits go
    back to Japan.
     
    buydomestic, Feb 12, 2008
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    jim beam Guest

    er, leaving quality issues to one side, what percentage of these
    "domestic" vehicles are made here? the "big three" all source a
    significant proportion of componentry from china. a lot of assembly is
    done in mexico. honda and toyota both source and assemble here.
     
    jim beam, Feb 12, 2008
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  5. buydomestic

    jim beam Guest

    how much tax do the big three pay here vs. the japanese?
     
    jim beam, Feb 12, 2008
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  6. buydomestic

    jim beam Guest

    and how many americans do they employ?
     
    jim beam, Feb 12, 2008
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    Jeff Guest

    And some of those profits come back to the US. Plus, Toyota and Honda
    pay US income taxes and employ US workers.

    The Michigan 3 need to make themselves relevant to use, not the other
    way around.

    Jeff
     
    Jeff, Feb 12, 2008
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  8. buydomestic

    Jeff Guest

    About 70 to 80% of the parts that go into the Michigan 3 cars come from
    the US or Canada.

    For Hondas and Toyotas, the numbers of similar, but only for the cars
    they make in the US.
    Still, a higher proportion of the parts that go into US cars and trucks
    made by the Michigan 3 are made in the US or Canada compared to the
    foreign car makers. Toyota has plants in Mexico, as well.
     
    Jeff, Feb 12, 2008
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  9. buydomestic

    Jeff Guest

    The Japanese subsidies of Toyota and Honda pay corporate income tax to
    states and the federal gov't as well as local property and other taxes.
    How much in taxes they pay is not known. Neither the auto companies nor
    the government bodies release the tax information.

    You're welcome to search the internet or the even the Toyota and Honda
    websites to find out how many people they employ.

    Jeff
     
    Jeff, Feb 12, 2008
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  10. So, we should buy GM cars that are made OUTSIDE America, paying
    foreigners, instead of buying Honda cars that are built by Americans
    INSIDE America.

    Hmmmmmm.
     
    Elmo P. Shagnasty, Feb 12, 2008
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    Tony Harding Guest

    If you're interested, I'd start with the Investor Relations site for the
    various companies.
     
    Tony Harding, Feb 12, 2008
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  12. buydomestic

    Tony Harding Guest

    Isn't that what free enterprise/capitalism is all about, i.e, buyers
    switch to another company's products is supposed to spur the company
    losing business to improve its products, pricing, etc.? Sounds as though
    you want us to reward the Detroit execs for decades of short sighted
    greed - count me out.
     
    Tony Harding, Feb 12, 2008
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    tater Guest

    American cars are crap. Made by unionists more worried about when their
    next coffee break is than making quality cars. They've negotiated themselves
    right out of jobs as the big auto makers cut back. It's not possible to do
    business
    that way and compete on a world wide economy.

    A couple years ago I bought a Nissan truck with 92,000 miles on it and
    didn't bat an eye. I wouldn't even think of owning an American made
    car with over 60,000 miles on it. They fall apart.

    When American auto makers start turning out a quality product at
    a competitive price I'll take a look at them.

    t
     
    tater, Feb 12, 2008
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  14. buydomestic

    Retired VIP Guest

    You are right Jeff. There are no American Car companies anymore. The
    only difference between "American" and "Japanese" companies is where
    they are incorporated. American cars are assembled in the USA, Mexico
    or Canada with parts made all over the world. The same holds true
    with Toyota and Honda.

    Jack
     
    Retired VIP, Feb 12, 2008
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    dbu Guest

    You left out Toyota
    --


    "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."

    Hillary Clinton
     
    dbu, Feb 12, 2008
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    BaJoRi Guest

    Where do the profits go? The profits for Japanese manufacturers, no matter
    where the car is built, go to Japan. It sucks revenue out of our economy.
     
    BaJoRi, Feb 12, 2008
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    Jeff Guest

    The profits from the American subsidies of Honda and Toyota are taxed
    the same way American companies are taxed, because, legally, they are
    American companies.

    Jeff
     
    Jeff, Feb 12, 2008
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    paul.brandon Guest

    And of course the Japanese (and Chinese) are financing our national
    debt (like paying for the Iraqi adventure) by investing their profits
    in federal paper.
    It all goes around....
     
    paul.brandon, Feb 12, 2008
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    Tony Harding Guest

    It's hardly the workers' fault - Honda & Toyota employ American workers
    and turn out quality vehicles. This is a management failing.
     
    Tony Harding, Feb 12, 2008
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  20. buydomestic

    Tony Harding Guest

    Consumers are voting with their dollars, Detroit needs to change the way
    it does business or die.
     
    Tony Harding, Feb 12, 2008
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