Consider buying American!

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by buydomestic, Feb 12, 2008.

  1. In the USA, Unions have a lot of power by law. The reasons are that in
    days of old, management was full of people who exploited the workers.
    Unfortunately, Unions have gone way to far in the other direction, to
    the point that they restrict work and prevent companies from doing
    what they need to do to be efficient and make money. Not that American
    car companies management have any clue anyway... I'm sure they'd lose
    plenty of money even without unions.
     
    still just me, Feb 16, 2008
  2. I don't see how this is any different from RWD. The engine and tranny
    are made to fit together and given two cars of similar size, you can
    easily design both to use the same drive train.
    For the average driver (and usually even for the above average ones)
    FWD will be safer and more predictable in slippery conditions.
    I can't see how they are any less fixable on the side of the road than
    any other modern car.
    There isn't much you can practically "fail safe" on a car outside of
    maybe the fuel injection system computer. You're best hope is "not
    fail" and Hondas are about the best there is in that department.
    And yet the Honda engine is more reliable. Go figure.
     
    Gordon McGrew, Feb 16, 2008
  3. I still love to drive my '94 GS-R. If I didn't, I would have gotten
    rid of it long ago. I will take the remote risk of catastrophic
    engine failure to the certainty that I will hate the car a year after
    I buy it and suffer catastrophic depreciation when I get rid of it
    prematurely. So far, with 170,000 miles (and a fresh timing belt), I
    would say I am winning the bet.
     
    Gordon McGrew, Feb 16, 2008
  4. buydomestic

    gfretwell Guest

    Because I have seen recomendations everywhere from 60,000 to this
    105,000 for when to replace the belt. Everyone swears they have a good
    reason.
     
    gfretwell, Feb 16, 2008
  5. buydomestic

    gfretwell Guest

    It just looked like a guy who should have bought a faster car to begin
    with. I know guys who hot rodded VWs and Vegas too.
    I think you folks call it "rice"
     
    gfretwell, Feb 16, 2008
  6. buydomestic

    gfretwell Guest

    Like you turn the wheel and nothing happens?
    What do you call it when the front weels lose contact with the
    pavement?
     
    gfretwell, Feb 16, 2008
  7. buydomestic

    gfretwell Guest

    It is why you have TWO separate brake systems. (at least before the
    ABS system) You can lose your brakes without a 100% chance of
    totalling your car but if I lose this belt I have been guaranteed a
    100% chance of totalling my engine.
     
    gfretwell, Feb 16, 2008
  8. And it is not like chains never fail prematurely or catastrophically
    anyway. The chains in those old Saturn engines were notorious for
    failing at ridiculously low mileage. Saturn dealers touted the chains
    as being superior to Honda's belts. Can you imagine how the owners
    felt when they were spending big bucks on a new chain long before the
    neighbor's Honda even needed a routine belt change.
     
    Gordon McGrew, Feb 16, 2008
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    gfretwell Guest

    A RWD drive train is assembled on the car line from parts by a US
    union worker. A FWD comes in on a pallet sometimes from a 3d world
    country or from a right to work state.
    It goes in a lot faster and if you are building cars time is money.
     
    gfretwell, Feb 16, 2008
  10. buydomestic

    gfretwell Guest

    I have owned about 30 cars/trucks and about a dozen motorcycles in the
    46 years I have been driving. I never got emotionally involved with
    any of them.
     
    gfretwell, Feb 16, 2008
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    jim beam Guest

    eh? did you read who the guy is???

    http://theoldone.com/about/default.asp
    http://www.theoldone.com/articles/
     
    jim beam, Feb 16, 2008
  12. buydomestic

    jim beam Guest

    as i suspected, you're confused - losing contact with the pavement is
    /not/ understeer.
     
    jim beam, Feb 16, 2008
  13. buydomestic

    jim beam Guest

    why wouldn't you listen to honda? their service manuals are pretty much
    as authoritative as you can get.
     
    jim beam, Feb 16, 2008
  14. buydomestic

    jim beam Guest

    wrong answer. dual circuit is because of hydraulic problems, not rubber
    problems.

    the point is, your "rubber belt" is the same kind of technology that
    holds race tires together at 160+ mph, that suspends elevators in modern
    buildings, that provides reliability and precision in extreme
    applications in countless machines all over the world, every day. don't
    trivialize something that you don't properly understand.
     
    jim beam, Feb 16, 2008
  15. They probably pay more tax, but the amount they pay toward health care
    (in taxes) is less than what American companies pay in health
    benefits. This is because health care is far more expensive in the US
    than anywhere else.
     
    Gordon McGrew, Feb 16, 2008
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    jim beam Guest

    46/30 = 1.53 years per vehicle. and you're bleating about reliability
    of belt driven cams??? how do you find the time to drive them the
    mileage necessary for it to be a concern???
     
    jim beam, Feb 16, 2008
  17. buydomestic

    jim beam Guest

    utter bullshit.
     
    jim beam, Feb 16, 2008
  18. Furthermore the Japanese health care system, both the public and
    private portions, is incredibly cheap, costing less than half as much
    as the American system does, this despite Americans making far fewer
    doctor visits.
     
    Johnny Hageyama, Feb 16, 2008
  19. How do you check it if the engine has no mechanical distributor?
     
    Johnny Hageyama, Feb 16, 2008
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    Tony Harding Guest

    Rich Germans want to zoom along the Autobahns, yet there's a tax based
    on displacement (also cylinders, etc.).
     
    Tony Harding, Feb 16, 2008
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