Consider buying American!

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by buydomestic, Feb 12, 2008.

  1. You don't half write some bollocks.
    (old English term for shite)
     
    Dave Plowman (News), Feb 17, 2008
  2. BMW don't make their transmissions.
     
    Dave Plowman (News), Feb 17, 2008
  3. If you look into the web reports on these failures you'll find they're
    made by your very own GM...
     
    Dave Plowman (News), Feb 17, 2008
  4. More bollocks. No machine works 'indefinitely'.
     
    Dave Plowman (News), Feb 17, 2008
  5. buydomestic

    jim beam Guest

    cam timing, not ignition timing!!! you can adjust the ignition timing
    so it looks right, even when the cam's way off.

    so why are you arguing that chains are better? belts don't wear
    ["stretch"]! their timing never changes!

    and with a belt, you don't have to bother! a much superior design concept.

    no, chain wear is pretty much linear. it's twice as worn at 150k as it
    is at 75k.

    if so, it's not because the cam timing has drifted!

    no, the catalyst takes care of it. for a while. and cam timing is
    nothing to do with oil consumption.
     
    jim beam, Feb 17, 2008
  6. You expect parts to be readily available and cheap for an uncommon import?
    Try looking at the spares prices of old US cars in the UK...
     
    Dave Plowman (News), Feb 17, 2008
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    jim beam Guest

    http://www.racetoretirement.org/
    http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2005/01/11/001220.html
    http://www.aerodyn.org/History/dc-3.html


    but the point i'm discussing is whether an end life is part of the
    design criteria. in this case, it is. "bathtub curve".

    http://www.weibull.com/hotwire/issue22/hottopics22.htm

    it's the hot ticket in production technology and vehicle manufacturers
    have been fixated by it for about 25 years.
     
    jim beam, Feb 17, 2008
  8. buydomestic

    jim beam Guest

    but they do write their own specifications!!!
     
    jim beam, Feb 17, 2008
  9. buydomestic

    jim beam Guest

    to make it fit!!! once done, it stays - it's not an ongoing issue like
    a chain. belts don't stretch.
     
    jim beam, Feb 17, 2008
  10. There are a couple problems with American car manufacturers in general,
    and GM in particular:

    The workforce gets bored easily. Bored workers do fair work.

    The Management is more interested in making shareholders happy than
    customers.

    And the biggest failure of the system: even if your people are building
    the cars the best they can, the car is no better than the quality of the
    parts that go into it.

    This is where the Japanese really kick ass. The parts are far more
    reliable than their American counterparts. Remember what happened when GM
    sytarted making Corollas (Geo Prizm)? They put Delco parts into them! The
    highest failure components on a Prizm are the alternator and the radio.
    Smart people who realize they have a Corolla in disguise go to a Toyota
    dealer and buy a rebuilt Denso alternator and drive for the next 150,000+
    miles without even thinking about it.

    Once GM starts thinking Customer over shareholder, and quality parts
    rather than cheap parts, GM will again regain it's composure and move back
    to the top. And I don't mean in sales. You give people a large enough
    incentive, they'll buy the car no matter how crummy. I ALMOST went to look
    at a Cobalt, because a new one was $3,000 less than the Scion I bought
    with 11,500 miles. Bit based on the reliability figures of the Cavalier
    the Cobalt replaced, the idea left my head in 5 minutes.

    If GM can get their parts manufacturers to approach the quality and
    longevity of Denso, Hitachi, etc, GM might once again become #1 in
    QUALITY, and not just pushing cars to rental agencies to boost sales...
     
    Hachiroku ハチロク, Feb 17, 2008
  11. buydomestic

    Jeff Guest

    How does this affect GM workers more than other workers? Or Ford and
    Chrysler workers more than the workers for the foreign automakers?
    Chrysler does not have shareholders.
    This is true for US-made Hondas and Toyotas, too.
    GM and Ford have decreased sales to rental fleets.

    Jeff
     
    Jeff, Feb 17, 2008
  12. buydomestic

    jim beam Guest

    the difference is the spec the auto maker writes for the parts. honda
    and toyota specs are very high. domestic specs are way lower.
     
    jim beam, Feb 17, 2008
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    Tony Harding Guest

    It's really staggering to think about it. IIRC, one rationale for
    "market driven" health care is to eliminate what they call "frivolous"
    doctor's visits. I don't personally know anyone who drops by the
    doctor's office just because he has decent health coverage. Most people
    are too busy.
     
    Tony Harding, Feb 17, 2008
  14. buydomestic

    Tony Harding Guest

     
    Tony Harding, Feb 17, 2008
  15. buydomestic

    Tony Harding Guest

    In other words, no, not a scintilla.
     
    Tony Harding, Feb 17, 2008
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    zonie Guest

    I worked at a Chevy dealer at the time the Prizm was around. Chevy even had
    a letter out to replace the failed Delco alt. with a Denso unit. GM and
    Ford dug their own graves buy giving us piles of junk. Time for them to
    crawl in their holes and die. Scott
     
    zonie, Feb 17, 2008
  17. buydomestic

    Tony Harding Guest

    Sounds pretty interesting, any chance of a link or 2?
     
    Tony Harding, Feb 17, 2008
  18. buydomestic

    Tony Harding Guest

    I was happy to start with, but you're still wrong. Sorry.
     
    Tony Harding, Feb 17, 2008
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    gfretwell Guest

    You pretty much called me very dumb, I'm surprised you forgot me so
    easily. You must think everyone is pretty dumb
     
    gfretwell, Feb 17, 2008
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    hsg Guest


    Phil it doesn't matter about the grammar being right or wrong - we ENGLISH
    invented the language so we can do what we like with it. Anyway,
    the way ENGLISH has been diluted by US immigrants over the years who is to say
    what is the correct grammar
    --

    Sir Hugh of Bognor

    The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys.

    Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it!

    Hugh Gundersen

    Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK
     
    hsg, Feb 17, 2008
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