Consider buying American!

Much more and someone is likely to drop a valve...

 

My US Made Nissan sucked. Ford split the plant/line 50/50 with them.
It showed.

 

My Toyota was similarly fine (nice, since it broke at 60K on a 100K
belt).

I should have bought a lottery ticket that day then.

 

1. I don't know about the newsgroups generally, but except for you
non-Honda guys coming in here and blathering about it, it rarely comes
up in the Honda newsgroups. Most timing belt posts here are "How do I
change it myself?"

2. You never hung out in the Saturn group. Chain problems were very
common on the early models - often necessary before 60K. You are
correct that it usually gave plenty of warning but there were
catastrophic, engine-destroying failures reported as well..

My 94 Acura is 6 years/90 kMiles.
My 97 Honda is 7 years/105 kMiles.

It seemed like it was costing twice as much for the Saturn owners,
IIRC.

I can't actually say I've ever known a Honda owner who had an engine
destroyed by a broken timing belt. I'm sure that in your world, the
streets are lined with broken Hondas, but on Earth they seem to run
forever.

 

is that from factory, or one that had been subsequently changed? if the
latter, it's more than likely it had been over-tensioned. it's also
been known for shops to charge for work they don't do - things get
"forgotten".

 

relax will you? go get a beer.

 

not in this country.

so at what point is this "end of life" scheduled to occur? what would
you say if you knew it to be scheduled for a certain mileage? what
would you say if you knew it to be a mileage different from other
manufacturers?

 

actually, that's lower down the list.

specs are very detailed and very tight. it'll include all the
materials, their tolerances, their fatigue performance, weight,
hardness, microstructure, etc., etc. castings even get things like
their size stability closely defined because some transmission alloys
permanently change volume with time at elevated temperatures. it's very
non-trivial.

 

Only the ones in the SAS

 

If it's any consolation, my Japan made Nissan sucked, too...

'90 240SX. Awesome car if it had been built right.

 

By what I see on the "COPS ON CAMERA" programs I guess all you have to do is
wreck them on the highway and the breaker yard does the rest.

--

Sir Hugh of Bognor

The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys.

Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it!

Hugh Gundersen

Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK

 

I really must agree there. However here in the UK and Euroland the powers that
think they run everybody are paranoid about being GREEN.

One or maybe two of the nicest cars to come out of the US are the Dodge
Challenger - 69 - 74 although the later ones with the horrible front bumper
wasn't that nice and the Dodge Charger 68 - 73

Neither went round corners well and the interiors were total crap as were the
brakes. the new Challenger looks great and has a real hemi but does it actually
go round corners? We don't get the Charger here but if it's anything like the
300 Ugh!

Well that's only 2........... However, our GM division - VAUXHALL - (you
vauxhall the way there and vaux (walk) all the way back!) were total rubbish in
the 1960s Nice looking but rusted away within 3 years and that plastic - super
oiled to begin with and very sumptuous but within 3 years when all the
plasticisers had evaporated away on the glass (yellow misting is not due to
smoking) all the interior simply cracked and fell apart.

--

Sir Hugh of Bognor

The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys.

Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it!

Hugh Gundersen

Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK

 

CHICKs?? Well Well - we are getting there. NNo just the analogy of things
breaking but then there is the old adage -if it ain't broke don't fix it.
Airplanes get preventative maintenence as to bridges and other similar things
but cars do not fall out of the sky when the engine stops so people don't do
preventative maintenence.--

Sir Hugh of Bognor

The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys.

Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it!

Hugh Gundersen

Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK

 

Maybe. But BMW simply specify their version of a basic design. From ZF etc
if autos. The same basic box as used in many other vehicles. And these
days the differences between them tends to be mainly in the software.
ZF specify what the 'box can handle torque wise by the final two digits of
the model number. 6 cylinder BMWs changed from the 5HP18 to 5HP20 when
they increased the largest engine capacity from 2.8 to 3 litres.
Of course it could be argued that overspeccing the torque handling
capability of an auto will result in longer life. It might - but it also
results in greater weight, size and cost.

 

Maybe somebody who ends a question with a question mark.

 

That isn't a question it is a statement - as a statement it doesn't require an
answer.
--

Sir Hugh of Bognor

The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys.

Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it!

Hugh Gundersen

Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK

 

honda have had high specific outputs like that [or higher] since the
late 80's iirc.

http://asia.vtec.net/spfeature/vtecimpl/vtec1.html

shows outputs. need to confirm dates.

 

Point of order - at the very least it's a rhetorical question, and as
such requires a question mark.

Whose law is it that a grammar flame always contains a grammar error?

 

ITYM 'grammatical' That is the adjective of grammar. ;-)

 

As I said Dan - we ENGLISH invented the language so we can do what we like with
it unlike the French who are very strict with spelling and pronunciation and the
Spanish who place the ? upside down but then that's not English - is it?
--

Sir Hugh of Bognor

The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys.

Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it!

Hugh Gundersen

Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK