Consider buying American!

OK, the strokes of two pens.

The Automotive Products Trade Agreement, commonly known as the Auto
Pact or APTA, was an important trade agreement between Canada and the
United States. It was signed by Prime Minister Lester B. Pearson and
President Lyndon B. Johnson in January of 1965.[1]

It removed tariffs on cars, trucks, buses, tires, and automotive parts
between the two country's, greatly benefiting the large American car
makers. In exchange the big three car makers (General Motors, Ford,
and Chrysler) agreed that automobile production in Canada would not
fall below 1964 levels and that for every five new cars sold in
Canada, three new ones would be made there.

Impossible to tell. You can get the percentage of domestic content on
any given model. You cannot get the percentage of US content.
"Domestic" built cars generally have a domestic content of 60 - 90%.
Honda ranges 55 - 70%, Toyota 60 - 85%, Ford 60 - 95%, GM 50 - 90%
Chrysler 69 - 85%.

 

I am sure that Johnson didn't say to Mr. Pearson, "Hey Les, lets make a
treaty about how many cars you guys have to make!" There was a lot more
than two pens.

Is there any action required by Congress before a treaty becomes valid
in the US?

It was a different treaty that had to do with domestic content that
labels stuff built in the US and Canada as domestic. It was a prelude to
NAFTA.

Only about 1/2 of Japanese brand cars are build in the US.

Look at the location of the plants that build car parts in the US. The
vast majority of them are in the US for each of the Michigan 3.

 

Can't believe this discussion is still taking place in this day and age of
global commerce.

 

bjn wrote:

Take a look at the campaign for president in Ohio. For some odd reason,
people in Ohio don't like NAFTA. They have this weird thing about
wanting jobs.

Jeff

 

I am aware that the requirements for ratifying a treaty are more
rigorous than other legislation, but in the end it is just
legislation. If big, multi-national corporations want it bad enough,
it happens. How did NAFTA get passed? Was there a sudden groundswell
of popular support for making cheap Mexican labor more available?

 

CUT

All this chat about Jobs, Money and the like - US is a big place where anyone
can be president if he/she was actually born in the US. Any bugger can be King
or Queen of England - at the moment we have German descendents but we have had
Vikings, Dutch and even the French have tried - we have even given them a tunnel
but they still can't make it!

But hang on a mo! We now have an enlarged EU or rather a 3/4 USE (United States
of Europe) with all your employment problems drifting in from the old Eastern
Bloc and middle Far East car makers are being coerced or bought up by the big
EU/US makers and even BMW are building in China and apparently selling there
too.

In the UK - like the US we are a multi racial society with all the problems that
brings but now even the local Supermarket has 10% Polish/Lithuanian food on it's
shelves and all the queues at the employment dept are Polish and ex Eastern Bloc
as are 90 of the daytime drunks and they are also responsible for the 50%
increase in attacks on women and actual rape.

Kia are offering a 100K mile 7 year warranty on their new cars and the cheapest
is around £7K or $14KUS.

Rolls Royce now have 3 models on sale and are selling them like hot cakes and
Bentley have at least 2 all sold out @ well over $400K each. So who is buying?
No me or you I bet but someone is.

Let alone Gas (not petrol) prices have gone up as have electricity prices Gas &
Diesel is around $8 gallon and wages have increased by an average of 3% for the
average Joe but 30% for those employing him/her.

It doesn't matter whether you are in US or UK or EU

Out Gov' say **** the workers (even Labour) and let's get out of it what we can.

Anyway why cares a shit - when the Asteroid his us in 2012 they'll be nobody
left.

Hugh

--

Sir Hugh of Bognor

The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys.

Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it!

Hugh Gundersen

Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK

 

2.0 on the troll meter - coincidentally, about the length of your
dick.

 

Not really. If it's actually a treaty, then the Senate has to ratify
it. See the Constitution for more details.

Yes, a groundswell from all the manufacturers who want cheap labor
. Cousins to the folks GWB was helping out with his "rotating door"
of illegal aliens in his immigration legislation. You know, the same
guy who vetoed removing the special tax exemptions granted to oil
companies because it was a "tax increase" (Which Exxon could only
barely afford, with their meager $40b profits on top of last year's
$40b profits).

 

Very much the same in MI.

 

Are you aware that US Presidents can sign binding treaties without
consent of Congress (so-called executive agreements)? In fact about
90% of our treaties are enacted in this way. About the only time the
President seeks the formal treaty process is if he needs Congress to
pass supporting legislation and funding.

Yeah, I know the guy. But keep in mind that Bill Clinton gave us
NAFTA. I think his wife is paying for it now.

 

From your list I assume you mean made in the 3 NAFTA countries. The GM
cars made in Korea are not mentioned.
Oh you missed the Vibe, which is built in the USA by Toyota for GM.

How about Mercedes, BMW, Toyota, Honda, Nissan, etc.

 

The NUMMI plant, which builds the Vibe, is a joint venture between GM and
Toyota.

 

The Vibe, IIRC, is built by a joint venture of GM and Toyota rather than
built just by Toyota.

 

Yes I know that, but guess who does most of design work and the plant
engineering.

 

Cambridge, Ont.

Close enough, I guess...

 

The Toyota Matrix (on which the Vibe is based) is built in Cambridge by
Toyota, not NUMMI.

The Vibe is built at the NUMMI plant in Fremont, CA. The plant also
produces the Toyota Corolla and Toyota Tacoma. It also produced the
Toyota Voltz, a right-hand drive version of the Vibe for sale in Japan,
but with very low sales, Toyota stopped importing them in 2004.

The Toyota Corolla/Matrix has about 70% US/Canada parts content, just
like the Civic.

http://www.cars.com/go/advice/Story.jsp?section=top&story=amMadeParts&subject=ami

Jeff

 

All of the vehicles in the NUMMI plant use the same frame (Vibe,
Corolla, Tacoma).......pretty interesting place to go through....