Consider buying American!

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by buydomestic, Feb 12, 2008.

  1. Corporate income taxes, if they should exist at all, should be based
    on total worldwide income for all subsidiaries, multiplied by the
    proportion of worldwide sales that occur in the country. Foreign
    corporations know it's harder to claim zero income that way, so much
    that and when Florida proposed it, several years ago, they loudly
    threatened to pull out completely from the state.
     
    larry moe 'n curly, Feb 15, 2008
  2. That was done some time in the early-mid 1990s. So now what?
     
    larry moe 'n curly, Feb 15, 2008
  3. Toyota's annual health care costs are around $100M, worldwide, because
    their US workforce is non-union, has much lousier beneifts, especially
    in retirement, and almost all other countries have socialized
    medicine, including Toyota's home turf, Japan.
     
    larry moe 'n curly, Feb 15, 2008
  4. Jesse Jackson will accuse any company of discrimination unless it has
    a deal with his organization or one of his friends' companies (mostly
    law firms). I'm not saying Japanese companies are anywhere close to
    squeaky clean (Mitsubishi's top management was reportedly e virtually
    fascist in its racial attitudes), but Jackson should do more than just
    be a publicity hound, and instead he should work more to weed out the
    real injustices, as he did with Texaco
    (chairman was caught on tape).

    Jackson once accused Cypress Semiconductor of racial discrimination,
    but its chairman, T.J. Rodgers, who doesn't care one bit about race,
    told Jackson that he was ************ (Rodgers is famous for swearing,
    even when interviewed by engineering and scientific journals) and that
    35% of his company's workforce was non-white, with a slightly higher
    in upper management.
     
    larry moe 'n curly, Feb 15, 2008
  5. He's not a racist but instead believes that equal opportunity has to
    be verified by results. And before you call me a Jackson defender,
    see my post about him and Cypress Semiconductor.
     
    larry moe 'n curly, Feb 15, 2008
  6. It's a good book, but, ironically, when it came out, Ford made
    something like record profits, and Nissan lost money.
     
    larry moe 'n curly, Feb 15, 2008
  7. So why does Consumer Reports say that GM's overall quality is on par
    with non-union (at least in the US) Nissan's?

    Why has CR given bad reliability marks for two non-union made Japanese
    vehicles, the Nissan Titan (Mississippi) and the 4WD Toyota Tundra
    (Texas)?

    Which union members designed crappy cars for Detroit, especially those
    furniture-like GM cars?
    The car makers were free to reject the union's demands and free to
    employ the workers more efficiently.
     
    larry moe 'n curly, Feb 15, 2008
  8. In one.

    'Unions' can *possibly* bear some responsibility for high prices - but not
    for poor design, materials and quality control.

    And of course what all those union bashers seem to forget is that a non
    union low paid workforce won't have the money to spend on consumer goods
    and services.
     
    Dave Plowman (News), Feb 15, 2008
  9. For 9999 out of 10,000 drivers, FWD makes more sense. Unless you're
    into throttle steer and serious performance driving, RWD has no
    advantages and some serious disadvantages.
     
    still just me, Feb 15, 2008
  10. buydomestic

    Jeff Guest

    The benefits that American automaker retirees have will be reduced if
    the automakers go bankrupt.

    Jeff
     
    Jeff, Feb 15, 2008
  11. When the unions demand that the guy sweeping the bathroom get paid the
    same as the guy bolting the engine into the car, that's a problem caused
    by the union.

    When the union insists on a roomful of "extras" being paid the same wage
    as the guys on the line for doing nothing but sitting there waiting just
    in case some guy on the line has to go home, that's a problem caused by
    the union.
     
    Elmo P. Shagnasty, Feb 15, 2008
  12. buydomestic

    Bob Smitter Guest

    CR doesn't give the marks (ratings). They are compiled from
    consumers' inputs.
     
    Bob Smitter, Feb 15, 2008
  13. Even if true, what has manufacturing low quality cars in models people
    don't want to buy done for Ford? The Japanese have the right strategy.
    The right strategy has been incredibly obvious to anyone with a brain,
    but 30 years after the Japanese starting eating their breakfast, the
    US manufacturers still don't have a freaking clue.

    I saw GM's CEO give a speech last year in which at one point he argued
    against CAFE standard increases for "trucks", because he claimed the
    Japanese sold more smaller cars than trucks (and it was easier for
    them to hit the average). Then, later in the same speech, he talked
    about how sales were down because they weren't selling many tucks
    anymore.

    Apparently he couldn't connect the dots.
     
    still just me, Feb 15, 2008
  14. buydomestic

    Jeff Guest

    The guy sweeping the BR is just as important as the guy assembling the
    engine.

    I think there is a bigger problem when the CEO gets 100x more than the
    lowest paid employee.
    And who agreed to the union's demands?

    Jeff
     
    Jeff, Feb 15, 2008
  15. You misunderstand the tax system. You don't get a "tax credit" for a
    loss. You pay taxes on PROFITS. If you don't have any profits, you
    don't pay taxes.

    You want to talk about tax credits, look at the oil companies. There
    was a bill this year that would have ended preferential tax rules for
    oil companies. Note that Exxon had record $40b profits again this year
    and other oil companies did similarly well. Bush vetoed that idea
    because he claimed that eliminating their special treatment would be a
    "tax increase" (Apparently not giving his incredibly profitable
    friends special tax treatment is not fair).

    I'm not aware of any special rules for the auto industry.
     
    still just me, Feb 15, 2008
  16. Yeah, I gotta agree. When did health *insurance* become a service
    policy? It's *insurance*, it should pay for the big items, not day to
    day expenses. That said, note that most companies have eliminated
    health benefits for retirees or required them to pay at least 50% of
    the policy cost. Auto workers still have it good if all they lose was
    office visits.
     
    still just me, Feb 15, 2008
  17. Maybe Lucas, or RR, did something nicer at that level. Ask anyone else
    who's ever worked on a Lucas system on any other British or Italian
    car and they will tell you about Lucas quality.

    Lucas headlights had a three position switch - dim, flicker, and off.
     
    still just me, Feb 15, 2008
  18. Because they are color blind and apparently can't read their own black
    and red circles on those little charts? :)

    Seriously, they make comments like you mentioned in terms of new car
    "build quality" (a rating of how many repairs happen in the very early
    days of a cars life) and not based on reliability (repairs that happen
    over the more realistic life that most of us own cars).
    I'm no fan of CR's statistically invalid ratings, but the fact is that
    all auto manufacturers have quality issues in some vehicles. Overall,
    Japanese cars are still more reliable that US or Euro cars.

    Apparently you don't understand labor laws in the USA.
     
    still just me, Feb 15, 2008
  19. buydomestic

    Jeff Guest

    WoW! $40 billion already this year! And we're only 1 and 1/2 months into
    the year. That's better than I hoped for.

    Most of the $40 billion in profit last year was from outside the country.
    Can you tell us what this special tax treatment is?
    Of the $40 Billion that ExxonMobil made last year, 75% was from outside
    the US.

    Jeff
     
    Jeff, Feb 15, 2008
  20. buydomestic

    Jeff Guest

    In the case of Toyota, CR automatically gave new Toyota models high
    reliability ratings. not any more.

    Jeff
     
    Jeff, Feb 15, 2008
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