Corolla v Civic v Hyundai/Nissan moeds

Discussion in 'Civic' started by RPS, May 12, 2008.

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    Enrico Fermi Guest

    Civic
     
    Enrico Fermi, May 21, 2008
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    Joe Guest

    If one is "stuck" paying the AMT, the price shouldn't be that big of a
    deal to them... ;-)
     
    Joe, May 22, 2008
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    Tomes Guest

    I don't disagree. It remains that the tax break is not for everyone, and
    more folks need to know that then know it today.
    Tomes
     
    Tomes, May 23, 2008
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    dgk Guest

    My understanding of the tax incentive is that it is limited to the
    first 60,000 cars of each model, or maybe the auto maker. The Prius
    has gone over that so there is no more incentive.
     
    dgk, May 23, 2008
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    Josh S Guest

    That's correct, the Corolla and Prius are similar, but if you pile
    things high in the Prius it has more space for cargo.
    I would not do that due to the safety concern of luggage flying forward
    in a fast stop.

    The Prius has a lot of passenger Cu Ft. forward of the dash, which is
    unusable.
    Having been a passenger in both, with two & three others, I suggest
    they are similar for practical purposes.
    As for the driver the previous Corollas didn't fit me comfortably; I'm
    5'-11". A similar height friend of mine who has the previous Corolla
    confirms that it wouldn't fit me very well as a driver, his shorter wife
    drives his.
    I've not tried the new Corolla for size.
     
    Josh S, May 24, 2008
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    Josh S Guest

    CVTs.
     
    Josh S, May 24, 2008
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    Josh S Guest

    I doubt it's engine would have enough torque for less revs at 80 mph.
    That's not a legal speed anyway.
     
    Josh S, May 24, 2008
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    Josh S Guest

    I had three VW Beetles, two 1.1L and one 1.3L; '55, '56, '61.
    I've keep very accurate mileage records.

    My '95 3.3L Concorde of twice the weight gets the approx. the same
    city/hwy MPG as I got with the VWs and of course at a much more
    consistent and higher speed, particularly up hills and against the wind.

    The VW Beetle had a top speed of about 65mph, it took some time to get
    there, couldn't maintain 60mph into a medium head wind, but with a
    strong tail wind it could maintain 75-80mph.
     
    Josh S, May 24, 2008
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    Josh S Guest

    Yes, those batteries are expensive as well as being dangerous in an
    accident.
    In spite of the weight hybrids do very well. There are many reasons for
    this, and some of the technology can be applied to mild hybrids to get
    much of the fuel savings, without having a huge battery.
    I live 1km from Ballard, a fuel cell developer.
    A few years ago a tanker delivering H to their plant developed a leak
    and fire at the hose fitting. The area 0.5km around was shut down for
    12+ hrs until it burned off.
    Fuel cells need much further development and then there is the high
    cost, plus a required refueling network for this dangerous fuel.

    IMO the new diesels, developed in Germany will be the next fuel saving
    hot vehicle. Over 50% of people in Europe are now buying them.
    The 2L VW diesel performs very well in the small mid size cars.
     
    Josh S, May 24, 2008
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    Joe Guest

    That depends on where you are. There are a few states with speed
    limits of 75, which means 80 would be a pretty normal speed. In some
    parts of Texas, the posted limit is 80.

    I'd agree, though, that the engine would be able to provide enough
    torque to keep the car going 80 @ 2000 RPM. Just not a big enough
    engine.
     
    Joe, May 24, 2008
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    mjc13 Guest


    The point wasn't that anybody (except VW) claimed that the Beetle
    got great gas mileage; it was that VW used fuel economy as a selling
    point. As I noted earlier, the Beetle was pretty unimpressive in the
    fuel economy department. It was better than the big American cars, but
    no better than many faster, larger imports. I'm sure it was worse than
    some of them...
     
    mjc13, May 24, 2008
  12. I would have agreed with you in the past, but diesel is selling for $1 a
    gallon more than regular right now. At current prices, a gas engine at 40
    mpg costs the same in fuel per mile as a diesel at 50 mpg. I don't know if
    it has changed in Europe, but gas and diesel were just pennies apart per
    liter last year, diesel was 1.16 Euro gas was 1.22 per liter.

    Fuel oil cost was exactly the same as diesel too. In milder climates it is
    not uncommon for homeowners to buy 5 or 10 gallons at a time at the filling
    station as needed.
     
    Edwin Pawlowski, May 24, 2008
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    Elle Guest

    Thanks for the report. :)
    Ha!
     
    Elle, May 24, 2008
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    Josh S Guest

    I agree with you that if diesel is selling for too high premium, using
    diesel doesn't make sense.
    Here in Canada diesel has recently crept a bit higher than regular
    gasoline, but I believe it's more of a supply situation as diesel use is
    increasing. In the USA you seem to be facing more variability in fuel
    pricing than here in Canada.

    For urban driving a properly sized diesel gets about 30% more MPG than
    an equivalent performance gasoline engine.
    The Jeep Cherokee 2 wd EPA figures are:
    Gas 3.7L- 15/20
    Gas 5.7L- 13/19
    Diesel 3L- 18/23 Performance is close to the gas 5.7L.
     
    Josh S, Jun 7, 2008
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