How about that? Honda feels a need to sell some more 6-cylinder cars? J.
Nice engineering, but just as ugly as the new Accord and other recent models from the big H, sadly. All those meaningless swoopy lines and blind-spot producing C pillars. Since they gave the Accord the big butt and cat-eye headlights in 02, all their corporate style has been going downhill with each new release. (not that the other brands are any better, mind you. they all look alike, and they all are ugly. what idiot decided that high beltlines, and rear doors that catch all the road crap from the rear wheels, were a good idea? They all look like giant HotWheels cars.)
Spoken like the bed-wetting liberal you are. Corporations and conservatives "think", they don't "feel" when it comes to strategic marketing decisions...
In fact most stockholders are folks of modest means-- people like me and you who own mutual funds, have a pension funded by some institutional investors like CalPers who owns a bunch of the stock, etc. And what kind of idiocy drives thinking-- no, make that feeling-- that anyone or anything "owes" anything to the "world as a whwole" --- whatever that the heck that means. A company should obey the laws of whatever country it's in, strive to maximize the long term investments of its owners, provide a good place to work for the employees, be a good corporate citizen and think strategically about the future. Beyond that, they should leave the tree-hugging and whale-saving to wet noodles like you...
Well then, what's the thinking here? Honda makes a lot of hay out of having the best company mileage. The six is already available in the Accord. This is just another body style with only the six, and optional 4wd. Seems to impinge on Acura markets. On second look, it's even closer to the TL sheet metal, just rounded the back a bit more. Me, I wish they'd add a V8 to the line just to sell a few hundred of them a year, maybe bring back the NSX, but I guess they don't find that an economic move. Can't see any way this makes sense on thinking, so must be some kind of feeling behind it. Have a nice day. J.
cringe - yet another person who's afraid of honda's red line and poisoned by detroit's propaganda and determination to stick to cheap crappy 1950's technology. but here's an opportunity for you to show you can think for yourself: all else being equal, which do you think delivers the most power - a 4 liter v8 at 3000 rpm or a 2 liter i4 at 6000 rpm? and just for devilment, why are all those big commercial diesels you see out there on the highways only i6's? 40-odd tons of truck on a 6% grade needs power doesn't it? why no v8's?
Well, I wouldn't mind seeing Honda develop a V8 either, but I had something more like a Cosworth DFV in mind than a Chevy small-block. Dave
exactly, glue together a couple of S2000 engines ... or at least Civic SI engines, smart cylinder technology like all the V8s these days, 400hp at 8000rpm, ... just what I need to go up the onramp into the 15mph congested freeway, but hey, very kewl in theory. Much as I'm liking my 2010 Accord I4 at low speed low revs, when I finally do punch it on the freeway - nothing there. It's even more optimized for the low RPM than I thought. Even the 2007 and 2004 models had something going on when you hit the cam at 4000rpm, the 2010 not so much. I'm starting to understand why someone might drive the six. I mean, my I4 goes zero to eighty in under ten seconds (I estimate), it's not bad at all, in fact it's a downright amazing piece of machinery. But I got smoked by a Versa today. Grumble. J.
exactly, glue together a couple of S2000 engines ... or at least Civic SI engines,[/QUOTE] .....or just do a modern version of the Car and Driver twin engine CRX...
you remind me of a ricer kiddie trying to buy a crx off me one time. "it's got no power" he bleated after creeping abound the block at 1500rpm. we shifted seats and i layed rubber as we pulled away. you ever seen an asian kid turn white? bottom line dude, when you "punch it", you also need to reach all the way over to that "transmission shift" thingy as well - 'cos you need to be up near that red line. that's what hondas are built for and where they perform best. btw, you didn't answer the v8 vs. i4 question. the correct answer is the i4 - lower losses on the fewer moving parts. now, you go ahead and learn to rev that engine of yours - the i4's have 16 valves specifically so you can do this.
Amen brother. A Honda I4 with a manual transmission is a thing of beauty, but only a few in the world realize it--because everybody HATES to hit VTEC, let alone anywhere near redline.
I recall years ago in a car mag seeing an article that featured a 12 cylinder inline Jag XKE. The builder had coupled two 3.8 Jag I6s for about the longest engine you ever saw. Brings to mind the old Buick straight eight. Frankly, I avoid V6s and am very happy with my Accord I4. Heck I wish I still had my Prelude.
I vaguely recall seeing that, and only later realizing it was a parody. Had a tv camera in the nose to make up for the extra-long hood. That was pretty funny, circa 1975. J.
jim, you're way off on this. slide into a current Accord I4 and rev it. Nuthin. I've already made several posts about this. and it turns out I don't need you to tell me to rev it in such cars as it works in, I drove Fiats and Alfas for years, and they had nuthin at all going on below about 4000 rpm, you had to rev it just to go zero to sixty in ten seconds, had to rev it to 4000 just to get up to 30mph in traffic, I can go all day in an Accord, including freeways over 80mph, and not hit 4k. Amazing, actually. Seems like the S2000 or Civic SI would respond to reving to the 8k redlines. But the long-stroke Accord engines and the 6k redline, not so much. Not hardly at all, in fact. Honda has the most amazing mass-production 4-cylinder normally aspirated engines in the world. Just want to see the same technology in a V8, just to show the world what it can be like, I'm not asking for a seven liter 10mpg 1960s Chevy or Dodge Hemi. Heck, even the current Chevy Corvette engines are better than that. Somewhat. J.
I have owned an XK-140 Jaguar and an E-Type (technically there was no XKE, but everyone called it that, so it became the de facto name.) There certainly was a 12 cylinder E-Type, and it was a very long engine, because of the double overhead camshaft design. As an aside the first Ferrari V-12 was made up of two V-6s, one behind the other. I've also owned a Prelude, a generation ahead of its time, and, I thought, could really give my E-Type a run for the money. But what do I know. I'm old. Really old. I raced the XK-140 at Laguna Seca, in 1959, when they had pro-am races, and I was the amateur, and had to retire, after one lap, when I realized that I was probably the only one paying for my fenders. Passed by two Ferraris, within the first quarter-mile. Now I have a new Honda Pilot Touring (because we have two grandsons) so that is what happens to you. Nice to hear something about Jaguars. They were totally great (when they ran) and I wish I had them both today.
Yes, there was a 12-cylinder E-type, I think I even test drove it once, but I'm pretty sure it was a V-12 not an I-12! Way overpowered, or so it seemed at the time. I think the I-12 was a parody in Car and Driver ahead of the V-12 announcement. The XK-140 was one of the most distinctive cars ever made. Those big paws! Never did drive one of those. J. I have owned an XK-140 Jaguar and an E-Type (technically there was no XKE, but everyone called it that, so it became the de facto name.) There certainly was a 12 cylinder E-Type, and it was a very long engine, because of the double overhead camshaft design. As an aside the first Ferrari V-12 was made up of two V-6s, one behind the other. I've also owned a Prelude, a generation ahead of its time, and, I thought, could really give my E-Type a run for the money. But what do I know. I'm old. Really old. I raced the XK-140 at Laguna Seca, in 1959, when they had pro-am races, and I was the amateur, and had to retire, after one lap, when I realized that I was probably the only one paying for my fenders. Passed by two Ferraris, within the first quarter-mile. Now I have a new Honda Pilot Touring (because we have two grandsons) so that is what happens to you. Nice to hear something about Jaguars. They were totally great (when they ran) and I wish I had them both today.
