What is the anticipated life of a master cylinder for a CRV?
Just about forever, provided you either: 1) Flush the fluid annually (from new) using the pedal-pump method, or 2) Flush the fluid annually at any point in a car's life using a Mity-Vac or other non-pedal method. Nothing kills the master cylinder seals faster than neglect. Except for neglect combined with a belated effort to change the fluid using the pedal- pump method. -- TeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda FAQ http://www3.telus.net/public/johnings/faq.html How to find anything on the Internet or in Usenet Groups: www.google.com www.groups.google.com
A Honda service company in Australia is stating 90% of CRV brake master cylinders fail by 80,000 kilometres and require renewal at the 80,000 kilometre service - at a cost of araound A$600. Normal service cost is about A800 which is not so bad but an additional hit of A$600 is a bit over the top. Who knows what the accident contribution rate is before 80,000 kilometres or later for those individuals who might use other service arrangements and are not aware of the possibility of this occuring.. Any comments on this happening elsewhere in the Honda world or for that matter any any other cars as I have never come across anything similar in other cars nor in the previous two Hondas - even over ten years !! Have there been internal safety bulletins on the subject of brake master cylinders? Look forward to reading any future posts on this topic as - if true - there may well be a much deeper issue involved.
Considering that's just 4K or so miles past the recommended first service interval (or 3years) for replacing the brake fluid, seems a bit odd. What do you mean by "a Honda service company" - dealer? It'd be unusual IMO for a deteriorating master cylinder to result in catastrophic failure without there being some signs that things were not well. At worst one of the two circuits would go bad resulting in a "long" pedal. There's nothing at http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/tsb/tsbsearch.cfm that I see. I don't recall it ever being discussed here - sounds like maybe just another gouging dealer, though I agree with Tegger that 45K miles/3years is too long to leave brake fluid in. Rgds, George Macdonald "Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??
I suspect there's a bit more to this claim than what's quoted here. Please name your source. Other than for mechanical defects or after many years of inactivity, I have never seen any master cylinder from any manufacturer go bad after such low mileage. Even brakes that leak severely will provide adequate braking for a short while combined with enough warning signs to make most of even the densest motorists want do something about it. -- TeGGeR® How to find anything on the Internet or in Usenet Groups: www.google.com www.groups.google.com
The source is the Sydney (Australia) based Honda service company I have been using for ten years. They advised when checking the car in that by 80,000 kilometres nine out of ten brake master cylinders REQUIRE replacement due to scoring and - their term - "rust spots". I have complained to them that I have never heard of such a requirement at soch a low operaing time - they were emphatic and if fact ended up changing it out without prior authorisation which we had agreed that morning. It is more than interesting to read the responses which I intend to discuss further with the service company and Honda. Thanks
Ask for them to turn over any used, replaced parts to you with the return of the car. That's "standard procedure" here and helps keep dealers' service honest - I've even seen where a dealer service dept. would give me back a replaced part if it had been an unanticipated part of a job, without me even having to ask. I'd sure like to see that master cylinder they replaced. If there's no dirt, the cylinder bore does not score and there is no iron/steel in there to "rust" - it's all aluminum, which can of course corrode if moisture gets in there. That's why we have to flush and replace the brake fluid. I must say I'm curious why they focus on the master cylibder here - there are any number of other parts which are just as likely to need early replacement and which might even be more plausible. Rgds, George Macdonald "Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??
I have a master cylinder they say is defective. It was immediately handed over when I asked for the parts they replaced although I have to say they were very quick to provide it when asked. It is still completely assembled and seems, repeat seems, to have not been opened up at all. I am sending it off to an independent company for a condition report and intend taking the issue further once I have the report. It sure is aluminium which places serious credibility on them when they give as part of the reason for all the other replacements (and by inference this one) that there are "rust spots". My entire view of Honda and their service agents (particularly one of them at least) is going down the drain rapidly. Will post when I get the independant report. Regards, me??
The Honda dealer in San Antonio, Texas wants to replace my master cylinder after 17,000 miles (2002 CR-V) due to excessive pedal fade. It is currently on order and I will have the work done this month. On Sun, 25 Apr 2004 15:59:16 +1000, "Richard" |A Honda service company in Australia is stating 90% of CRV brake master |cylinders fail by 80,000 kilometres and require renewal at the 80,000 |kilometre service - at a cost of araound A$600. Normal service cost is about |A800 which is not so bad but an additional hit of A$600 is a bit over the |top. | |Who knows what the accident contribution rate is before 80,000 kilometres or |later for those individuals who might use other service arrangements and are |not aware of the possibility of this occuring.. | |Any comments on this happening elsewhere in the Honda world or for that |matter any any other cars as I have never come across anything similar in |other cars nor in the previous two Hondas - even over ten years !! | |Have there been internal safety bulletins on the subject of brake master |cylinders? | |Look forward to reading any future posts on this topic as - if true - there |may well be a much deeper issue involved. | | | ||> "Richard" <> spake unto the masses in |> |> |> > What is the anticipated life of a master cylinder for a CRV? |> > |> > |> > |> |> |> Just about forever, provided you either: |> 1) Flush the fluid annually (from new) using the pedal-pump method, |> or |> 2) Flush the fluid annually at any point in a car's life using a Mity-Vac |> or other non-pedal method. |> |> Nothing kills the master cylinder seals faster than neglect. Except for |> neglect combined with a belated effort to change the fluid using the |pedal- |> pump method. |> |> -- |> TeGGeR® |> |> The Unofficial Honda FAQ |> http://www3.telus.net/public/johnings/faq.html |> |> How to find anything on the Internet or in Usenet Groups: |> www.google.com |> www.groups.google.com | |