CRX Headlights

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Flatlander, Nov 23, 2008.

  1. Flatlander

    Dillon Pyron Guest

    Speaking of CV boots, the joints are probably near their EOL. This is
    more a function of out and out years rather than wear and tear.
    Ether. It doesn't really make the car start any easier, but it REALLY
    makes things "interesting" :)
     
    Dillon Pyron, Nov 24, 2008
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  2. Flatlander

    Dave Garrett Guest

    You've beaten this horse here before. Repeatedly.

    I am reminded of something Mary Shafer (at the time, Flying Qualities
    Lead Engineer on NASA's SR-71) once wrote:

    "Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to
    live in the real world."

    Dave
     
    Dave Garrett, Nov 24, 2008
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  3. Flatlander

    Dan C Guest

    Who's talking about "perfect safety"? I'm talking about things like ABS
    and air bags.

    Are you saying you *admire* someone who "has the balls" to drive without
    them?
     
    Dan C, Nov 24, 2008
    #23
  4. Flatlander

    jim beam Guest

    abs is no panacea - it can extend braking distances, just read your owner
    manual. air bags? depends on how big you are and how close to the wheel
    you sit. and the type of crash you have. air bags don't do squat for the
    driver of an exploder when it rolls and the roof collapses.


    go to a junk yard and look at real crashed cars - that'll tell you /way/
    more than any hearsay or b.s. you'll read in a press release.
     
    jim beam, Nov 24, 2008
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  5. Flatlander

    James Sweet Guest


    Don't feed the trolls.


    Not many cars newer than about 20 years old that I have much interest in.
     
    James Sweet, Nov 24, 2008
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  6. Flatlander

    Dan C Guest

    Maybe. Rarely. All in all, it's a good thing to have, in almost all
    cases.
    No, it doesn't.
    We weren't talking about an "exploder". The subject is a Honda CRX. Try
    to keep up, if you're gonna jump into a conversation.
    Anyone who argues that ABS or airbags don't include your chances of
    survival in a crash is just a fool. If that's what you truly believe,
    don't bother replying, as I don't have time to waste on fools.
     
    Dan C, Nov 24, 2008
    #26
  7. Flatlander

    jim beam Guest

    actually, it's a crappy thing to have in mud and snow because in both
    cases, locking and plowing can stop you quicker. straight line on ice is
    debatable. it's primary purpose is to help the freds who would otherwise
    lock wheels and keep them locked when they brake in the rain, skid, and
    slowly pirouette across the freeway as they try to break the brake pedal
    off hoping it'll make the cars stop faster. if you've ever witnessed
    people driving in the rain in los angeles or las vegas, you'll know what i
    mean.


    actually, it does.

    you made a blanket statement, but it's only applicable to a limited set of
    circumstances. front airbags offer no protection from side impact. they
    offer no protection from rollover. all they offer is protection from
    frontal, and that's assuming the driver would otherwise impact the wheel
    due to proximity or restraint problems. in all cases, better protection
    would be afforded by the use of a rigid safety cage, five-point harness
    and helmet rather than an explosive device.


    dude, i'm not a fool. not only do i have something of an edumacation on
    this stuff, i've worked with cars for a long time, both professionally and
    as an amateur. and i've surfed junkyards for more than three decades.
    i've seen a lot of busted cars, including crx's. if you want to say that
    the first gen crx's with the plastic body panels are sketchier than the
    gen two's, i'll say sure. but neither vehicle is a slouch in crash
    survival that i've seen. for rollover, [if you can ever get it to
    rollover, which short of ditching it is pretty near impossible in my
    experience], both gens of crx hold up /real/ well. much better than
    detroit product of the same era, or even today. for frontal, same again,
    great survival of the passenger cell. where they're not so hot is side
    impact, but imo, that's something of a debatable benefit. without some
    distance in which to deform and thus absorb impact, the body decelerates
    against the side impactor pretty much unprotected. and short of making
    vehicles as wide as they are long, there's not much to be done about
    that. side airbags protect the head, but they don't prevent broken
    plevises, legs, etc.
     
    jim beam, Nov 24, 2008
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  8. Flatlander

    James Sweet Guest

    Airbags and ABS are not a bad thing, but having them does not
    automatically make a car safe, and lacking them does not automatically
    make a car dangerous.

    My primary focus is Volvo, the 240 series was made for nearly two
    decades and is legendary for safety, despite airbags and ABS being
    available only the final 2 or 3 years of production. Much has been
    learned in the way of safety and cars in general have improved
    dramatically in the last decade or two, particularly small cars, but in
    many cases an air bag is a band aide over inferior design.

    All that said, there's more to life than safety. Few would argue that
    motorcycles are safe, but they're fun, and many of us would rather live
    a short but enjoyable life, than a long one spent locked in a padded
    sterile bunker where we are "safe".

    The best way to survive an accident is to not get in one; drive
    sensibly, keep your eye on the road, stay off the phone, drive at a
    speed appropriate for the conditions, and keep the car in good
    mechanical order. Accidents do happen, and safety equipment will improve
    your chances, but nothing can protect you in all cases. Life involves
    some risk.
     
    James Sweet, Nov 24, 2008
    #28

  9. Yep, when I look back on life, I somehow survived cars without
    seatbelts, the lead paint era, second hand cigarette smoke, etc. All
    that this cradle to grave safety first crap is accomplishing is dumbing
    down society further not to mention much higher vehicle prices and
    reduced fuel efficiency.

    And, that good ol' SR-71 leaked fuel like a sieve until reaching
    altitude and speed. Still, nothing has been built to be its equal.

    Best of all, if push comes to shove, I just drive my reliable ol' 55
    Studebaker President State sedan and will gladly take advantage of
    someone else's crush zone!

    JT
     
    Grumpy AuContraire, Nov 26, 2008
    #29

  10. You make a good point... Defensive driving is more important than ever
    considering that the driving public represents dumbed down individuals
    who think all this modern gadgetry is gonna save 'em.

    And when this stuff starts to go bad, it gets real expensive to repair.
    I don't really see a cost vs. benefit advantage in the long run.

    But... Let 'em pay those high monthly payments. I'll stick to my paid
    for ancient tin...

    JT
     
    Grumpy AuContraire, Nov 26, 2008
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  11. Flatlander

    Jim Yanik Guest

    that we KNOW about;remember that the Blackbird flew for many years before
    it became public knowledge.

    (is Aurora it's replacement?)
     
    Jim Yanik, Nov 26, 2008
    #31

  12. Hard to say... Don't have Kelly Johnson's skunk works anymore. Hard to
    keep things under wraps in this political correct world..

    JT
     
    Grumpy AuContraire, Nov 28, 2008
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  13. Flatlander

    Flatlander Guest

    They're flush halogen headlamps. It turned out the pins weren't
    broken. The headlamp flange that rides on the adjuster screw had
    "pulled through", causing the headlamp to flop down. I suppose it
    could have been repaired by straightening the bent flange. Since I'd
    already gotten a new headlight housing from a salvage yard, I put that
    in instead.

    It was one of those jobs that took 2 hours but could be done again in
    45 minutes. Not bad at all. Information I have from the manuals
    isn't quite correct for the '87 model. If you know what you're doing,
    you can remove two bolts and slide the bumper/bumper cover off as an
    assembly. The side marker lamp assembly has to be removed to get
    access to one of the bolts holding the headlight housing in.

    It turned out to be much easier to remove the bumper cover first and
    then pull the bumper off. It's just easier to see what's going on
    when you do it that way. With the cover off, it's also a lot easier
    to get the bumper aligned with the attachment holes when putting it
    back together.

    And, of course, there has to be at least one revolting development
    when you do stuff like this. In my case, it was discovering that the
    right hand CV joint has a tear in it. It must have happened in the
    last 2 months, since it was ok when I changed oil in October. No
    noises coming from the thing yet.

    The car has 149,470 miles on it. CV joints were previously replaced
    at 72,900 (LH) and 74,970 (RH). That was back in 1998. About normal
    life for CV boots from what I hear.
     
    Flatlander, Dec 13, 2008
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  14. Flatlander

    Tegger Guest



    Thanks for the update. should help others who may be Googling for the
    same problem.

    And that short boot life is typical of aftermarket boots. OEM ones last
    about 8 years (much longer for the newest plastic ones), and take two
    years or so to split from the first sign of cracking.
     
    Tegger, Dec 15, 2008
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  15. Flatlander

    Flatlander Guest

    Yeah, I've noticed a dearth of information on this issue in forums
    other than here. Wish I had taken more pictures to document the work,
    although it wasn't a big deal.
    Figures. I think I had these put on at Midas...or somewhere like
    that. Before everyone attacks, it was the daughter's car at the
    time. She was away at college. Only time I could get it was usually
    Sundays. Midas was one of the few places open then. I'm not a fan of
    the non-standard exhaust work they did on it, by the way...

    Anyhow, thanks for the advice. I'll get the OEM boots put on.
     
    Flatlander, Dec 16, 2008
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  16. Flatlander

    Tegger Guest


    Not much point in putting OEM boots on aftermarket joints. The joints
    themselves are unlikely to last another 8 years. Besides, OEM boots are
    expensive.

    I'd just replace these boots with aftermarket ones.
     
    Tegger, Dec 16, 2008
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