CRX HF weird stuttering problem

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by djathens, May 9, 2006.

  1. djathens

    djathens Guest

    I have an '88 CRX HF with 175,000 miles on it. The engine shudders
    pretty violently when the accelerator pedal is held at a particular
    spot in its range of travel. It occurs in any gear, at any RPM. It is
    more noticeable at lower RPMs probably due to the lower inertia of the
    reciprocating mass. If I press the pedal down past this point, say
    ~1cm, it goes away. Similarly, if I let up on the pedal the same
    distance, the shaking also stops.

    Car has new plug wires, new O2 sensor (Bosch), new distributor, and a
    MotorVac flush service done. Its also had a new timing belt put in and
    a valve adjustment done in the past 25k.I suspect it could be the
    throttle position sensor, but I'm not familiar with its construction.
    Is it possible that it could have worn out in this spot and is sending
    bad/no signals? Any other ideas?

    On a related or unrelated note, the car also idles erratically,
    sometimes too high (1100RPM), sometimes too low (250RPM), sometimes it
    bounces between 900-1100RPM. A Honda tech told me my accelerator cable
    was too tight. I haven't fooled with that yet.
     
    djathens, May 9, 2006
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  2. I think that's your problem there. Dump that crappy Bosch O2 sensor and get
    an OEM unit.
     
    High Tech Misfit, May 9, 2006
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  3. djathens

    jim beam Guest

    first things first: check the ecu for error codes. go to tegger.com to
    see how it's done. report beck accordingly.
     
    jim beam, May 9, 2006
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  4. djathens

    Elle Guest

    Non-OEM O2 sensors being behind poor performance has come up
    here before. I echo Misfit's suggestion.
    https://www.automedicsupply.com/ has OEM ones for about $35
    total for your 88 CRX. I bought a new OEM O2 sensor here a
    few years ago for my 91 Civic. No problems in the
    transaction. Works great.

    Also, thoroughly purge the cooling system of air. Various
    idle control components are cooled by it. Air in it will
    cause sub-optimal idling, among other things. Make sure the
    fan comes on twice during the purge process. From cold
    engine to fan coming on twice may take over 40 minutes. It
    does on my 91 Civic.
     
    Elle, May 9, 2006
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  5. djathens

    djathens Guest

    I placed an order for the OEM sensor, and downloaded the PDF for
    checking the codes. How do I go about purging the cooling system of
    air? I'll post results when I get them.

    On a side note, does 43-44mpg sound about right for an '88 w/175k?
     
    djathens, May 10, 2006
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  6. djathens

    Elle Guest

    A factory service manual for your 88 CRX is free online at
    http://www.honda.co.uk/car/owner/workshop.html . See the
    procedure for purging (= bleeding) under Engine, Radiator.
    fueleconomy.gov reports that the 1988 CRX HF should get at
    least 45 mpg in the city and at least 53 mpg highway. That
    might be worth nothing. There are some online CRX groups
    that you might ask. The Usenet archives (groups.googling for
    88 CRX mpg) turns up a wide range, with yours appearing to
    be about in the middle.

    My 91 Civic has 176k miles on it. Fueleconomy.gov reports
    31/35 city/highway. Yet it averages about 40 mpg year-round.
    From online reports of other c. 91 Civic owners, that's
    pretty usual for a properly maintained one.

    Your engine has the same displacement as mine (1.5 L) but
    yours is MPFI (mine is DPFI) and 8-valve SOHC (mine is 16).
    Also, I suppose your CRX is notably lighter in weight.

    Some fuel economy-oriented maintenance tips:
    http://home.earthlink.net/~honda.lioness/id11.html

    If the car has never had its PCV valve replaced, I'd do
    that, first. I replaced my 91 Civic's at 138k miles, and
    this made a huge difference in gas mileage, like 10% or so.
    The valve was badly fouled with waxy buildup.
     
    Elle, May 10, 2006
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  7. djathens

    djathens Guest

    Replaced the O2 sensor today with Denso OEM from automedic. Took a
    short drive in rush hour and I believe this solved the problem.

    I heard that it is good to clear the ECU of codes when you install a
    new sensor. Is this true? If so, I heard the radio needs a security
    code to function again if the battery is disconnected long enough to
    clear the ECU. Anyone know where to find the code?

    Thanks for all the help. This is my first Honda, and it's comforting to
    know there is such great support online. : )
     
    djathens, May 13, 2006
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  8. djathens

    djathens Guest

    Actually, unfortunately, the problem is still happening, to a lesser
    degree. I can't find the stutter until I am in fourth or fifth gear,
    and really looking for it, but it's still there. So I guess I'll reset
    the ECU when I can, and try the other procedures listed in the
    thread....dang.
     
    djathens, May 13, 2006
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  9. ----------------------------------------

    If it had a Throttle Position Sensor in it, I'd vote for that, but it's
    too old for that, right?

    'Curly'
     
    'Curly Q. Links', May 13, 2006
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    jim beam Guest

    curly, the o.p. /still/ hasn't bothered to check for codes afaict. in
    my experience, tps problems /definitely/ show on the ecu.
     
    jim beam, May 13, 2006
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  11. djathens

    Lhines3365 Guest

    I have a 90 Model Crx DX and my car is doing the same thing. If you
    finally figure out how to fix it, PLEASE, share the info with me. We
    have tried everything but a new computer.
     
    Lhines3365, May 15, 2006
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    kam Guest

    Not sure, but I'd check the entire fuel system: tank, pump, filter,
    injectors, and fuel lines.
     
    kam, Aug 21, 2006
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